201 - Managing Stress and Leveraging the Body's Energy for Healing With Isaac Ho

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In this enlightening episode, Amy Ledin welcomes back Isaac Ho for a deep dive into understanding the intricate relationship between our emotions, physical health, and overall well-being. Isaac, with 20 years of experience as a trainer and therapist, shares his journey and insights into how our bodies respond to stress and the significance of tuning into these signals—such as stress responses and physical symptoms—for better health management. This conversation aims to shed light on the crucial steps needed to achieve a harmonious balance between mind and body, offering listeners a roadmap to healthier, more mindful living.

“A lot of times when it comes to healing, one of the things that you know, my dad has been an M.D. forever. He always says, the thing I learned after 50 years of medicine is the body is actually so smart, it will heal itself. But it requires the right environment. And so we have to make sure it's in the right environment or it's not going to heal itself. " —Isaac Ho

Key Takeaways:

• Recognizing how the body communicates through stress and physical symptoms.
• The importance of addressing stress for preventing and treating various health conditions.
• The concept of muscle testing as a tool for identifying issues with neurological signals.
• Practical advice for managing stress and leveraging the body's energy for healing.

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Guest Bio:

Isaac Ho, a trainer and therapist for almost 20 years, started a journey to repair his health after facing personal troubles despite regular medicine. He learned first-hand that pills had limits, sending him on a life mission for true wellness. Learning from experts worldwide, such as trainers and doctors in New Zealand, France and Croatia, he gained deep knowledge from real life to help many people escape pain and find health. He was on TV networks like ABC, CBS, NBC, and FOX. Isaac's on a mission to help parents and business owners live with true health and set an example for future generations on how to love, prioritize, and take care of themselves.

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Transcript:

Isaac Ho 0:00

I can give you some ideas on like why one thing would be more beneficial for the other. So let's say for example, your mom always yelled at you. So you would have a lot of dysregulation to the auditory part of your brain like that would be blown out. Does that make sense? It would be like turning on a light too bright, staring at it as a child. So you're just like, dude, my eyes are just not right. Now, it doesn't mean it's permanently like that. It just means right now in your current state without addressing whatever is going on with it, you have too much sensitivity to that. That person probably wouldn't do well with music or sounds. Does that make sense? Because (inaudible) through that cortex is considered stressful. The signal's off.

Amy Ledin 0:31

Alright, so it's just adding more stress to it.

Isaac Ho 0:33

Yeah. So sometimes, like when people are like, well, what do you do for coping mechanisms? My answer to that is based off how your brain is wired in this moment, and then I would switch them. But ideally, I try to get them not dysfunctional.

Amy Ledin 0:48

What are you doing to create your dream life or your best self? Why do we see some thrive through challenges while others struggle? Welcome to F* It!, a podcast where I talk about the main Fs in my life that have helped me in creating my best self: faith, family, forgiveness, food, fitness, and formula. Hi, my name is Amy Ledin and most would say that I've had my fair share of struggles, whether it was placing my baby for adoption at 18, facing my marriage-ending affair, or battling stage four cancer for almost seven years, it's safe to say that I've been through a lot. Join me as I take you through my story, my journeys, and share with you the tactical strategies every single week that will help you thrive and overcome anything you face. That's right, I'm going to show you how to create a future self that you'll be proud of. So buckle up, get ready for the ride as I take you through my story and bring other guests on that have helped me along the way.

Amy Ledin 1:40

He's back. Yes, Isaac Ho is back for another episode. And today, we're going to really dive into navigating your body chaos, just understanding your body's response systems, a lot of us don't realize that the body keeps score. And if you didn't listen to the previous episode, Isaac Ho comes with lots of experience, 20 years of experience as a trainer and a therapist. He started his own journey to repeller his own health. And so it just came from a genuine interest and desire to help himself. He's been on TV networks like ABC, CBS, NBC, Fox, he's been everywhere. So I'm really excited to bring part two to you. So here you go.

Amy Ledin 2:27

You know, back then, so he was deployed on submarines, then I decided that I wanted to go back to finish my degree. So I had a four-year-old and then I'm basically pregnant. I was like, maybe six months pregnant, going to Valdosta State University, and I'm like, I just have to get my degree and crazy, crazy life. That's when I realized my kids, I gotta be super, super consistent with them sleeping, because otherwise I'm not gonna get any school done. So when I, when Kamele was born, she was sleeping through the night by three months, I had bought a book on how to solve your child's sleep habits. And I'm like, I cannot have another child that and it really came back to. It's your parenting consistency and not learning sure know when to kind of soothe but not associating with food. Because my other child, I just gave him a bottle every time when he woke up in the night, then of course, they just associate, oh, when I wake up and cry, I get a bottle, this is sweet. I'm just going to cry. (inaudible)

Isaac Ho 2:33

As an adult, we do the same thing like well actually feel bad for attention and we don't realize we get these depressive streaks because they've earned us attention. And if we were depressed around our parents, they would pay attention to us.

Amy Ledin 3:41

Totally. Well, you learn it even with I'm actually that's one of the podcasts is all about emotional. I mean, it's emotionally immature parents. And it was one of the first books that my therapist made me read. And she was like, I listened to it on Audible and the stories they give. Yes, I was thinking of my parents, but I'm like, holy crap. I'm that way too, like I have, you know, and after I read that book, I had my first test of the tension. And I actually even had my daughter on the podcast, we talked about this, like triggers and reactions, because she you know, she's 21 and she's read the Nicole's books and really wants to learn, but it was a day that I asked my daughter to braid my hair, because, you know, I don't know how to French braid it. And she, you know, she was like, 17 and so I'd got up and I'm like, hey, because I know how teenagers are and I'm like, you know, if before you leave, you know, if you have time, would you be able to braid my hair? And she was like, yeah, okay, well then I'm kind of quiet, kind of watching her and I'm seeing the clock like she's getting ready to need to leave. And so she kind of just sat and dilly-dallied with her food and, and so I was getting annoyed, you know? And she then goes, oh, sorry, mom. I'll have to do it after school and like we get in the car to leave for school. Well, now, my seven-year-old self is pissed. Like, and I'm thinking in my head, how you little ungrateful brat like I do everything for you and that would have been like my old response, right? But then her book really talks about, like, unconditional love and how much that affects us. Right? And that you have to show your children that it's not their do, it's their who. So my old self wanted to ice her out, like I seriously would just be silent the whole way to school. And you know, like, be pouty, whatever, right? But instead, I was like, okay, I can't show her that. So I had to fight my like, tantrum self. And I just, like, converse with her. And it was my pouring into her that when she got to school, like, after she got there, she was like, hey, by the way, I'm really sorry that I didn't, you know, braid your hair, I'll do it first thing next time, you know, and that was not me needing to force her by, you know, hey, I do this for you and did it, you know, instead, it was me showing her that unconditional love how it just flipped for her. And that was kind of my first moment of like, oh my gosh, I've been doing parenting wrong. I've been this authoritative, not really talk about a lot of things, but you just do what I say. And then expecting my children to, like, grow up. And I started to see it in them that they had their own emotional immaturity not knowing how to handle like, this is how we resolve things. We don't silent treatment someone because that's all learned, right? You just learn how other people have done that.

Amy Ledin 6:20

I met a really cool couple, like in a mastermind we were in, super, super successful and they were talking about right when they got married, that they had their first fight. And she came from a very healthy family that had conversations and he obviously didn't, so they get in their first fight, and he literally stomps into the other room and stops talking and she's like, what's going on? Are we? And he's like, not understanding why she's even coming at him. Because in his family, you would just not speak for a couple of days, and then just go back to it. And he was she was like, listen, I grew up where we communicate, like we have conversations. It's just funny how you only know what you know, right? But anyways, all right. I will remember to timestamp this.

Amy Ledin 7:05

But I love talking with you, I could talk to you forever. I am excited about today. Like I'm going to try to just keep this conversing as much as possible because we came from part one. And sometimes I can turn on this character not really meaning to but I want to keep this more like, hey, this is I want to learn as we go. And we talked about last time, the energy of emotions. And then today, and I purposely didn't want to go and like Google and search or things like that. I just wanted to come into this not knowing like most people. Now we're going to talk about the physiology of emotions. Now, what came to my mind, of course, was I thought of it I could be totally off. But I want to think from the person listening. Okay, well, if I'm thinking of like, the physiology of emotions, I'm thinking, like blushing, you know, where you see like, or maybe like, would that be your heart racing, you know, things like that. That's kind of what I thought about. So then, of course, if that is the direction we're going, I'm like, I'm excited, because I'm curious how this all ties together. And those of you that are listening and joining in now, this is Isaac Ho and he has been on before. And I'm hoping that this becomes something where we can just have conversations this is, you know, if you've not listened to the previous episode, go back, because these will go together. I mean, obviously, you can listen to them separately, but you'll hear a big introduction here with having him on. But Isaac, I'm excited that you're back.

Isaac Ho 8:36

Definitely, I always love talking to you.

Amy Ledin 8:38

So physiology of emotions. Was I on the right path there?

Isaac Ho 8:43

Yeah, absolutely. Last time, we talked about, like the energy of emotion and how that impacts the body in a physical way, and how you can be very ill if the quote, let's just say energy, for lack of a better word, or field is not functioning. And today, our goal is to teach a little bit about like how that all makes sense in terms of you in the body that you have. So I think it's hard for people to picture the energy body as a thing, like, yes, there are people that might be able to see it. But otherwise, you need some really advanced tech, right? To actually see energy fields and project it and they have those in science now. But they're not, they're not inexpensive. So what we're really talking about today, I think, is how most people kind of interface with the idea of stress which is in the mental body. And then how that becomes a physical body problem because we know we have a mental body, it's the way that you're you can be in a coma and your mental body is shut off. It's active, but it's shut off from access to the physical body, yet the physical body still exists and still operates. And so we take the idea that there are two different bodies here there's the mental body and there's the physical body and we forget about the energetic body. You know, how does this actually create you blushing or flushing? How does this create you having stomach problems? How does this create you having maybe some kind of abnormal growth that a lot of times we just call cancer, right? How could this contribute to you having something autoimmune because those are in the physical body, but understanding that they actually start further away. So in the first episode, we start in the energy body, they move to the mental body, and then they become physical problems.

Amy Ledin 10:23

Okay, so that makes sense. So a lot of these autoimmune issues you would see kind of coming through this part of emotions.

Isaac Ho 10:32

I think, a lot of times as practitioners we like to, and I'm sorry to always answer like a politician. But you know, people come to me and they're like, I have this problem. What would you do? If you were me to get rid of it because you obviously have done a lot of trainings? And my answer to that is always is like, it would be impossible to know unless we look at all three bodies. Right? And so I don't know why you're having that in the physical body. But let's just talk about something that I think it's embarrassing was something I've suffered from is like, hey, in the rectal area, you ever have irritation, especially on one of the cheeks, right. And so a lot of times, people will be like, oh, you have a hemorrhoid? I can't tell you how many people come to me with hemorrhoid issues. Because it makes exercising impossible. Yeah, when you have a pelvic floor issue, like, I'm sure a lot of women listening to this would understand like after you have a baby, when you jump up and down. How's that go? Not well, right? So how well do you do at Boot Camps doing burpees and star jumps and plyo? You don't do well at all. So pelvic floor issues, they not only affect, like, the actual function of going to the bathroom, but they affect all the tissues and your range of motion. Right? If you have that issue, then there's certain things. So like, I'm standing right now recording this, because like after being a trainer since I was 17, and then getting into consulting will like after about eight years of consulting sitting all day, you know what, that's a lot of stress on the pelvic floor. If you're walking around, you weren't doing that. And I can squat weights and all that stuff, and doesn't affect me, because I don't have an issue there. But then when you just pressurize something for a long time, and you don't walk like after eight, nine hours a day. I mean, I did the math with one of my trainers, most people I mean, we just walked through the math real quick. If you're sitting on a computer eight hours a day, five days a week, that's 40 hours, times four, that's 160 hours. So if you do something repetitively doesn't matter, if you work on a mouse, you sit, you do 160 hours times 12, I don't even know the math, but you know, we're easily into the thousands of hours, do you think (inaudible) gonna be healthy? Right? So, you know, we could have it be a physical problem. But I would say when I think about autoimmune, like from a mechanism standpoint, once again, I'm not a doctor, I don't pretend to be. What I'm really thinking about is like, the idea is the immune system is automatically attacking itself. Right? Okay. So then that means there's some dysregulation of the immune system. (Inaudible) Is that a physical problem? Oh, yeah. At this point it is. Is there a potential mental problem there? Yeah. And is there a chemical problem? Well, there has to be because your white blood cells are wiling out.

Amy Ledin 13:11

Right, right. Oh, that's a good example. Thank you. Great. Well, start with where you think someone would want it. Like, where do you want to introduce this in terms of, you know, we've continuing on from the energy of emotions, and what most people like you said stress, they don't understand where maybe it's coming from? And then you know, how to fix that, or, I guess, you know, take me through the steps of what to do now.

Isaac Ho 13:38

Yeah. So I think the first thing if you listen to the last one about the field, is things disrupting this energetic field that essentially, just like it sounds, it's a shield. Okay, so it keeps you from having to absorb different kinds of stressors, just like your skin would. Right? And so we all know that if you put toxic chemicals on your skin, they will absorb inside you. Or hopefully you know that so it's really important if you use any cleaning products, you know, you're smelling there's different ways for things to enter into us. And the idea is that the less toxins we have, ideally, the better function will have a normal process. So a lot of times when it comes to healing, one of the things that you know, my dad has been an MD forever. He always says like, the thing I learned after 50 years of medicine is the body is actually so smart, it will heal itself. But it requires the right environment. And so we have to make sure it's in the right environment or it's not going to heal itself. So environment could be you have tissue damage in the process of or in the stress to those tissues, you keep on having to react and so like it's really simple if you had a cut on your leg, right? And it never healed that abrasion kept getting irritated. Well, it would start to grow weird, wouldn't it? And then that (inaudible) then could become what is called cancerous, right? You have thing and it never healed over 10 years and now there's some abnormal (inaudible) cells. We're going to do a skin biopsy and see what's going on. Right? It's just tale as old as time, right? So the actual physical irritation will create it. So where I would really start people we think about the field and these protective layers is the solution is not if you're trying to avoid absorbing some of these issues to avoid all human beings, right, like, so let's just talk about how these things happen. So first of all, we get data inputted, so just like you could absorb it through your skin, or you could absorb it in the air, like obviously laughing gases or estrogenic chemicals that (inaudible) rain, like we know there's a million ways you can kill pests, right, you don't have to spray it on them, they could smell it, and they die. And we know that. So like, you have to realize you take your emotions in the same way you have different pathways where these motions can enter. So it's not just like one psychic person send something to you, it passes through your field into your body. You also can hear bad news, if you hear bad news. How does that process? So let's talk about the process of absorbing bad news. What has to go through the auditory cortex? Right? (Inaudible) cortex? Well, how do you know what that news even means? Well, your brain bounces that signal a lot of different ways. So it's gotta bounce it to the memory cortex. Because if you don't have any memory, you have no idea what's going on, because you don't know what that is. And so babies, they don't know that, that a dog is good or bad. They would only know by watching your reaction. That's why my dad would always say, I did you a disservice, because I always ran away from spiders, and you learned as a baby that spiders are dangerous. You and I just talked about (inaudible). And so the only way you know how to perceive and the context of anything coming into you as an emotional human being is actually what your brain was taught. So we have the hippocampus, which is our memory center. And we're gonna get into some, you know, psychology and brain, but we're gonna keep it super light, I'm just gonna say the name. And then you can pretty much think H for hippocampus, whatever it's your memory cortex. Well, then we have a memory that we can compare it to. And then it has to run through the thalamus, right? And so the thalamus is just helping you detect threat, right? So if that was bad, and I burned my hand on the stove, I have to remember last time I got burned. So check the hippocampus. Last time I got burned. Let me run this back and make sure that's not a bad idea for me. So the thalamic input starts to go in. Okay, that seems okay. Now, what do I want to do with that information? Well, guess what, I probably have to adjust it. So now I go, Well, there's a stove here. So it's got to go into my prefrontal cortex, prefrontal cortex and how we make plans. So I've got this data, I now have an image. Now, by the way, if you think about a lemon, do you only smell a lemon? No, you see the lemon, you see yellow. And so your visual cortex then creates an image of what you're dealing with. So it's really important to understand why people are so sensitive when they have emotional issues, is because you're running all these brain cortexes and they're interfacing and the signals can be off because of the high amount of stress. And you could have an issue in any of these cortexes. But we're gonna kind of break this down, I think in the most digestible way that I know how.

Isaac Ho 17:57

So now it's like, I've got all these different brain inputs, and then I have to do something. So how am I going to be able to move away from a hot stove or hot pot moving towards me, I'm going to have to talk to my premotor cortex, right? And that's going to picture how I should move in time and space. And then I need to then activate and do something so I don't actually get hit. And that happens in the motor cortex. So how do we do this so quickly? Electrical impulses, right? Electrical impulses. And so we have a really fast computer setup in our brain. And every time an emotion enters, or word or data gets regulated through all these cortexes, you are signaling and pinging all that the fractions of a second, and then you have to decide how to process and deal with that. So that's the first layer just in the head. Okay? Now, after a process with the head, your body's motor cortex, premotor cortex, the lambic input all those have regulators and you probably have heard of what's called you know, cranial nerves, okay? So the nerves that give you the ability to blink, create saliva, swallow, right? These are nerves that go to the brain. So we have the brain and then we have the interface of the cranial nerves, and those start pinging different responses. They're part of what's called a parasympathetic track. So parasympathetic track means that allows you to do activities that are more related to rest, digestion, absorption. So let's say you got some bad news. All sudden, you process that that is bad news. My husband just got in an accident, whatever. Now all of a sudden, your whole body goes into a motor response. And it's unconscious. Right? So now you're like, okay, your body goes, is this a time to be slow and relaxed? No. So blood comes out of your organs and goes into your extremities so you can run away. Right? So now you're having a sympathetic response. So now we've got blood doing that, well, what's the way your body is able to communicate? It communicates through hormones, right? And so we know about cortisol. And cortisol is just a stress hormone. And so when your brain gets the signal, this is stressful. Now, just like I said, there's different entryways. So we can come and you can hear the news, but when you look at light you release cortisol too, if you didn't, you couldn't wake up when it's morning, right? So these mechanisms are in place to help you just do your thing. But when these mechanisms are either not understood, abused, or dysregulated, which means the signal no longer works, because of the amount of stress the person has been under, then they start having symptoms, and now it's a body issue. Kind of in a nutshell.

Amy Ledin 20:23

Wow, that's a perfect way to explain that, especially down to the cortisol because we talk about that even with our clients with their sleep habits. And if they may have this, like 3 am spike, why it's happening, or you know, why they're waking up, or, but that's fascinating. I didn't realize you know, seeing that. And so then it's no wonder that when, you know, the imagery that you've kept there for so long, when you hear bad news, or you know, like for me, my, it's like an anchor for the good or bad, and this anchor is that when I go into the hospital, because I just recently went back to my former hospital, I went down to Roswell, and I haven't been there since being back in Canada. And I was not expecting, when I walked through, it was like, I was back five years. And I could feel, taste, hear everything like my body immediately went into overdrive, I was in fight or flight for sure. You know, like, I had to, like, pause and read my you know, because obviously, I have all these emotions and prior experiences there to just tell my brain, you know, this is how you respond, right? But it was interesting, you know how powerful that is, right?

Isaac Ho 21:31

It's a, it's, it's crazy, because you can be a child in an instant, you can be back five years in an instant, because your brain is the, you know, the limbic cortex, which is our emotional center, right? It's also one of the huge brain channels we have to pay attention to. And so like that can instantly turn on sync to your visual cortex sync your hippocampus, and suddenly just in the hospital, you're right back to it. It just remembers it. The brain is so smart. It's funny, because like, I just got a virtual reality headset, which is wild, if you've never done virtual reality. It is so incredible, like tech, but at the same time actually gives you a little bit of a headache after a while, like (inaudible) because the data is not accurate. It's not 100% accurate. So even though the tech is trying to do its job, your brain is like dude, something is weird here. And then what it actually does is it learns to pick up less data because it goes (inaudible) one way, but I'm being exposed to this. So like in motion sickness, the reason people get motion sick is the body actually thinks it's being poisoned. So it tries to make you vomit up the poison. And so people are looking at the screen and the tilting reflexes off, all these mechanisms are off, the body goes, the only reason we'd be having this is we're being poisoned. So, vomit. Vomit now. You understand? (inaudible)

Amy Ledin 22:46

Totally survival.

Isaac Ho 22:47

Yeah, it's so smart. It's doing all these things. And so, like my dad had said, the body will heal itself if it's in the right environment. We also have, we have to think about all the different environments that impact the body. And we have to also understand the channels the body communicates, because it can't heal, per se, if part of the issue is the internal environment is corrupted, right? So we have to make sure the internal environment is not corrupted in some way. And so like one of the things I do is I do a lot of muscle testing for neurological signals. And so that just tells me if the neurological signal's abnormal, and so if the neurological signals abnormal, then I know the brain can't handle that signal that circuits off. And so you want to regulate that. So an example of that is, like if you take a strong muscle it tests strong, and someone closes their eyes, and then you test them and they test weak. Well, it's not necessarily an eye problem, could be, like you'd have to check if it is, but there's actually an unconscious problem. Right? And so what that means is that person and this kind of gets into coping mechanisms. We're talking about sequence right now, which I think we should go back to sequence because it'll help people understand digestion. But from a coping mechanism standpoint, if you're under so much stress does your brain think it's a good idea to deal with that stress now when you're running? No, so it loads it into unconscious chamber? And so then when people try to get a massage, and like, you know what, it's weird, I don't have back pain, but I lay here and close my eyes and now my back hurts, like yes, because you do have back pain, but it's loaded into the unconscious. Right? Your body can't deal with it. I would see that all the time as massage therapists. Yeah, it's weird. Like you're (inaudible) or you lay down and also you open your eyes like holy crap, I forgot to do that thing. Right, because it got loaded into your unconscious. And so what I find from a practitioner level of treating people that a lot of people have so much load in the unconscious, that you can do very little and they'll neurologically just go weak. And that needs to be those signals just need to be reregulated.

Amy Ledin 24:47

And what kinds of things like when you when someone needs to be reregulated? What are you give me an example of that?

Isaac Ho 24:53

Yeah, I think last time we talked about witnessing in the energy field like witnessing, well in the mental body, let's just say where the circuit body, the brain looks instead of witnessing it looks for specificity. So what that means is like if I said, hey, meet me in like Gig Harbor, Washington at around 4pm, that would be a really hard meet up. Right? Because you're like wear in Gig Harbor and exactly what time? Also what timezone are we referring to, mine are yours, right? And so it becomes really tricky. And so I think, with treatments when it comes to the neurological system, really, it's a simple treatment, we just have the left and the right hemisphere of the brain, we integrate it. So there are two primary kind of resets. I do neurologically from like a signal standpoint. One is where it's called a deep tendon reflex. So when you're, they take the little reflex hammer and they hit that tendon, it actually creates this signal through the spinal cord, it kind of resets everything, it's like an electrical impulse. And so it's actually interesting, a lot of different therapies have found that if you can find the primary dysfunction problem and the secondary dysfunction, the real ones, not just any dysfunction, but the ones on that circuit, you can stimulate them both at the same time, you can hit the reflex, it actually gets rid of the problem. Because the brain knows it's there, it's pretty simple. When you do left or right hemisphere, it's a different way of stimulating the receptors of the brain, you're just using what's called the Golgi, or mechanical receptor reflex. And that tap over there actually tells the brain hey, pay attention here, but it tells the left and the right brain to pay attention at the same time so the brain then is, oh, now I know what the problem is. I'll just fix it myself. Okay, so like, the brain is really

Isaac Ho 26:13

(Inaudible) see your brain's like a sock. Like it literally is like a computer that we need software, you know, because I joke that we call them software updates, but it's literally like the rewiring, you know, like.

Isaac Ho 26:45

Yeah, (inaudible) like I don't have to update anything, all I really have to do with the human body, if it's in the mental body or the electrical signal the signals off, because I just have to get it to realize that it was off and where it was specifically, right? If the signal, if it's too general, like, hey, I think I have a thyroid issue. That's not really there's an issue with my thyroid is not really enough for the body to sort that. But there's like if there's an issue with a different engine, so like, that's where we get into engines. Engines are the different ways your body has mechanisms. So hormones are an engine, glands are an engine, brain cortexes are an engine, dendrites are an engine, EMFs are an engine. So there's different engines. And so essentially, what you do is you find paired engines, and so in the spinal reflex, which means like when we're hitting the hammer in that system of therapy, the engines that you end up pairing are paired pathways. So for example, you have a slow pain receptor and a fast pain receptor easily. And we know it because when you hit something and you wait for your toe to hurt, you put pressure on it right away, and then a second later, there it comes. Right? That's called paleo. And a paleo is a slow deferred pain and paleo because it's so old. It's like the first kind of pain receptor you develop as an organism. But if I poke you with something sharp, like a barbecue skewer, you pull away really fast that's on a much faster track because you could impel yourself. So your body has these pain pathways, mechanical vibration, temperature, all these pathways are linked on different circuits. And so engine has different paired engines. Does that make sense? So, what you're doing is you're finding out where the signals are bad, and all these different engines, and they may even carry over. And those are the things that you need to basically reregulate the signal for which how you do that, like, in my forms of therapy, is generally I like the left and the right hemisphere of the brain. It's like, you know, you can do these integrations, they're called, but um, you know, everyone has a different way I think of treating things, the ones that I've learned, I think what I don't look for so much is techniques, I look for knowledge of engines. That makes sense? Because an engine, it gives you mechanisms. So if I understand by going to a specialist that Justice cranial nerves, if you have a brain problem, not a cranial nerve problem, how are they going to fix it? That makes sense, right? So the more mechanisms I think you understand holistically on how the engines work, the more problems you can troubleshoot for and the more you can interface with so if someone doesn't know that the energy field exists, how do we do anything to support that? Or how do we measure that we have no way to measure it. And I think that's the biggest thing that when it comes to quote, therapy, that I think is really key is the understanding of different engines because you could be trying to treat an emotional back pain for forever. I can share a story with you if you're interested. But essentially had been in a really bad car accident, back was never the same, was doing really well playing ball and probably could have gone into scholarship. But after the car accident, pretty much ended his career. And after that, just back was never good, have seen tons of therapists and different specialists but it still was bad enough to a point where he owned a construction company and he couldn't actually do the work. And so he felt terrible like internally about owning a construction company not being the only construction. He's also just like young, you know, wasn't old, mid-30s and couldn't even play with his kid because, like, took him everything to just stand up and get through the day. And so he's like, could that be emotional? Yeah. But, you know, when he came in, I evaluated for a few different things. And I was like, okay, this is more so scar tissue, right? This is scar tissue, it's a bunch of different things. So we just treated it, and then we would find the thing that would retrigger it because it was fine. Okay, then his back was fine. He can go play with his kid, go to work, everything's fine. I treated it physically. Okay. And then I found that his back would go out again, if he's under a lot of stress. And so then I found the stress triggers, okay, and then helped him with those stress triggers, and then his back, didn't go out anymore. Okay. Then he didn't go back out until he started playing softball again, because he was athletic. So we want to play again, right? And so then when he twisted and rotated under different speeds, now it pulled on his tissue differently than just the normal stuff he had done with that range of motion. So then we had to treat those pieces of scar tissue as they pulled in rotational vectors under speed. Does that make sense? And so like, I have a back problem. It's like, oh, is that emotional? Probably some emotion. I wouldn't just start there, though. Is it nutritious? Probably, like, if you're bloated all the time, you're probably pressurizing yourself from the inside. Now, is bloating also emotional? Probably. Yeah. Okay. I mean, the body's irritated if you can't have a bowel movement, let's just be completely honest, because you're getting pressurized from the inside it's pushing down on the pelvic floor, what are pelvic floor nerves, those are relaxation nerves. So all this is interfacing incorrectly, now you're not digesting properly, you know, signals in multiple places, they're being dysregulated. So you're gonna have multiple, different kinds of issues. And I think that's important for people to understand when it comes to, like, the emotional and the physical side of things.

Amy Ledin 31:46

I was gonna say, like, just thinking of just stress and how general that is to so many people, but they don't realize how far this is going into their body in terms of like, I mean, I just think of the correlation with digestion, you know, what I mean? And like, and then what that's doing, when that's a reoccurring thing for you. Now, so let's take it upstream. What are some things that people can do then to, you know, because stress is going to hit us, you know, like, it's like, I always say to clients, like you, you can't wait for the perfect time, there's never going to be the perfect time. But what can we do to help have less of a negative body response? You know, like, I'm thinking of myself.

Isaac Ho 32:28

But let me kind of probably give you my best thoughts in terms of, like sequencing. So the first thing is, once you start spiraling into a negative process, you want to try to turn that arc off. So for example, if you get stung by a bee and you're allergic, what do they try to get as fast as possible? An Epipen. Why? Because the swelling creates trauma, the trauma creates closing, does that make sense? So your thought is like, if you know you're getting triggered by something, it means you want to remove yourself from the stimulus. Okay? Because you don't want to end up having physical problems from the swelling. Okay? You would want to get someone out now, the first I'd be like, okay, so this is usually what happens if someone's like, okay, I'm working with you. I was like, I realized I got these triggers. Okay, cool. We probably identify them ahead of time, but then it happens in real life, it will always happen in real life, because you're actually attuned for that as a lesson in life, because you haven't solved it yet. Simple like.

Amy Ledin 33:31

Is it kind of like, I always say, tension is the test, like, I can do all the therapy work, but I unfortunately, have to be exposed to it again, to even see, this is where like, the whole, like you do learn from your failures, you know, can be positive, like, at least that's what I've been telling myself, I say. But I've always been like, you know, I've done like I'd said, over two months of future self-journaling, where it's basically a rewiring of how I'm going to respond because I was really, really overactive. I'd had a couple years where I was super triggered by anything cancer-related with Erik. Like, it didn't matter what he said, right or wrong, like it was wrong in my head, and I just based on, you know, previous yucky stuff, and we were trying to work, you know, through that kind of stuff. And so I had, you know, done all this. And then I was listening to a podcast with Ed where he was talking about his dad having cancer and all the things he was doing from him, and oh my gosh, my body started going into this overdrive, overdrive, overdrive, and I was getting ready to like text bomb Erik some nasty crap, you know, and I was able to at least stop, but that's only you know, like, I failed two weeks later on something totally, you know, another experience, right? Where it was like, okay, I had to go back to knowing that I couldn't, until I got into that situation, even see if I could do I guess what you're gonna teach us some of the sequencing of where to go from there, right?

Isaac Ho 34:51

Yeah, totally. And that's, that's so like, what you're explaining here, let's just say, if you're like, hey, I'm getting triggered by this remove yourself from the trigger. Because most people when they have triggers, and I never, like I come from a background where, where there's no excuses, right? Like no excuse, you know, and that's a really typical, I think, Asian background is like no excuses. It's really hard. And that's an ancestral thing. So I'm just prefacing this by saying like, you have to know about yourself on how delicate you are, and how sensitive you are. Maybe it's the better word for it. Because, did we talk about gland types? Okay, this would be great for this conversation. So when we talk about sequence, okay, we have hormones that help us respond to stress. And we probably know that, but so you have a little bit like, details are respected by the brain. So let me give you some details about how this works. So there are four dominant gland types where you can release hormones to deal with stress. The one is the anterior pituitary gland, right? So that's in the head. And so those people are releasing a lot of stress hormone in the head. So if you're releasing stress hormone in the head, how sensitive are you going to be neurologically or mentally? Very sensitive, very sensitive. So I'm an anterior pituitary type. Well, the reason I'm probably a therapist is because I'm very, like sensitive to stuff. So I'm not a glass cannon, but my wife will make fun of me all the time. And part of it is because she's an adrenal type, right? And so adrenal types, they create the stress hormone from the adrenal glands, which are below the kidney. So it's a much lower locations. So how long does it take for that hormone to travel up to the head, that's a long way. For some people, it could be three feet, and if you're nice and tall, you know, maybe a little longer, right? And so you have this travel of getting the signal that something is wrong or stressful, and it takes longer to receive it. Right. So you have that type, you have, of course, the thyroid, so many people with thyroid dysregulation, Hashimotos, all this stuff, but it's like that is also a metabolic marker. And so if you're under extreme stress, and you're creating a lot of stress hormone, at you're, basically you're relying, and this is genetic, by the way, you don't pick which one, you'll have the same one as your mom and your dad usually, okay, in the thyroid gland, then what happens is that you've got a lot of pressures under there, and you're releasing the stress, okay. And then you have the gonadal area, right? And we all know, like, obviously, women know, probably better, but you have testes, and you have ovaries, and you're releasing progesterone and estradiol and all these things. So you're also releasing hormones down there. And so the travel and the path, so gonadal people are generally the nicest, most pleasant based on hormone. Why? Because they're not like getting the stress signals quick, that makes sense? Kind of like, I got a slow drip of this stress. It's so far away. Adrenal types, like, they're adrenal, so they tend to be a little bit more like fast action. There's behavioral styles and all sorts of stuff that go with each of these. But, what I was saying is, the sensitivity is different. So if you're in the anterior pituitary type, you should really take it easy. Because you're not going to tolerate it well, right? It's not like, we're not making excuses for the person, but they're getting sensitized way faster.

Amy Ledin 38:10

So is it be someone that maybe has been like labeled, like you're so sensitive, they cry easily.

Isaac Ho 38:17

Could be. So there's two things you have, I would think about the hormone reliance, right? The hormone dominance, we can say. And then the other thing I would think about too, is the upbringing. So like, I'm an entrepreneur and a business owner, it's pretty unstable. You could say, being a business owner, you know yourself. But like, usually people with my gland type don't become business owners, because it's too hard on them. Right? So there's some friction happening there between the gland type, and the natural picking of this, but did I pick business owner because I really wanted to be a business owner or did I pick because my dad always said, it's way better to be a business owner than a doctor? So I just modeled that unconsciously. So it will conflict. So the emotional dysregulation that person has or that easy crime. I had a client of mine that used to cry all the time, like any he had any conversation with her about something that wasn't being done, right just immediately, I don't know why I'm crying, would just cry. Now, she doesn't do that anymore. But that was very acquired and it was also behavioral based on certain needs. Because if she cried, people would leave her alone. Does that make sense? So there's, there's a few different aspects to why people pick emotions. But yeah, does that answer your question?

Amy Ledin 39:32

Oh, totally. That was just interesting. I was like, I wonder if that you know, does that? So they, so obviously then becoming aware of like you said, like getting to the place of tension is the test or you got to, you've got to experience it, right? So talk me through that from that point. What are some things?

Isaac Ho 39:52

Most of the stimulus and you get out of the stimulus, you know, we have different coping mechanisms, right? And so there's a difference between treating it. So like when we're, quote, treating or doing a self-treatment, maybe like some of the things I've shown you like, we're removing certain things out of the system, right? So like with the gland dominant, if I know I'm spiraling, I can reset my hormones really fast, and then they won't spiral. That is a treatment I can self, do on myself, I'll do it for clients. But I have had people with allergies literally swelling up in front of me, and I've turned it off. And they are like, What the heck? Like? Because they'll start. Well, that's because it's a signal, right? Hormones are a signal. So if you can stop the hormone production, they stop piling, right? And so you want to stop the cascade of whatever is happening with whatever technique you have. So for a lot of normal people that don't have treatments like coping mechanisms, okay, so like, now if your coping mechanism is food, it's usually a bad idea for two reasons. One, you're emotional and your sympathetic. So you're just trying to eat to get parasympathetic. But it's also going to toxic because you can't actually digest it because you don't get good digestive enzyme process or any enzyme process when you're under stress. Because enzymes are really expensive to make. That's something people forget about, like, if you look at what are the pre, basically the prerequisites for creating enzymes, you'll see that's a high nutrient list. Most people don't even have enough nutrients to create enzymes. And I know we're going to talk in part three about malabsorption, which is a whole nother thing, and like also hormone signals. But essentially, what you want to think is like, okay, maybe I shouldn't use eating as a coping mechanism, right? And so a lot of people are really into breathwork, right? Example, because they're like, you can control the ideas, you control the autonomics, and the oxygen and all these other things. I think breathwork techniques are fantastic. I think visualization is fantastic. I think. You know, I have to laugh because everyone learns differently. And so some people like visualization works great for other people actually, like I'm a really high theoretical. So for example, when I'm under a lot of stress, I need to separate from the situation because I'm starting to stockpile too much hormone, right? And I need to actually ask myself, like, why am I like, what, am I really making this mean? Like, what do I feel unsafe? So it's almost more like a traditional counseling, where I talk to myself through it. (Inaudible)

Amy Ledin 42:14

I do that. And that's why I'm happy to hear you say that. So I have on my phone, it's the mind movie app. It's by Joe Dispenza. But I've created mind movies in different areas of my life. Because when I'm, you know, especially when I've had bad news with cancer, and now when I go back, even for scans, like, it's really hard for my body to separate from what I can I learn to now create, because I can, like, if I miss it, I get there a little bit early. And if I sit in the car, and this was my mistake, this last week was I overestimated my power. And we went in there with no preparation, I think it's important for people to see like, a lot of this is daily practices in your life that you need to continue, right? So for me, you know, anytime I've gone for scans, I typically have my mind movie that I watched that is like, you know, I've got pictures of old scans, I mean, I've really, it's a lot of work, like you make a movie. And I put because music is definitely I've learned over the years super powerful for me, like I can take myself really anywhere with music. So I add music onto it. And then between those two things, I can create my new reality like where then I'm not even going in afraid, like and breathwork is my other, you know, so it's usually like some sort of visualization or movie, or, you know, breath work, because it's one of those things that immediately at least has, for me helped me get out of fight or flight, whether it be because I'm focusing on it, you know, like I'm, you know.

Isaac Ho 43:40

I can give you some ideas on like, why those, why one thing would be more beneficial for the other. So let's say, your mom always yelled at you. So you would have a lot of dysregulation to the auditory part of your brain, like that would be blown out. Does that make sense? It would be like turning on a light to bright staring at as a child. So you're just like, dude, my eyes are just not right. Now, it doesn't mean it's permanently like that. It just means right now in your current state without addressing whatever is going on with it, you have too much sensitivity to that. So like that person probably wouldn't do well with music, or sounds. Does that makes sense? Because (inaudible) through that cortex is considered stressful as the signal's off.

Amy Ledin 44:16

Right, so it's just adding more stress to it.

Isaac Ho 44:18

Yeah. So sometimes like when people are like, well, what do you do for coping mechanisms? My answer to that is based off how your brain is wired in this moment, and then I would switch them but ideally, I try to get them not dysfunctional. But I just give you an example. So like, if you do breath work, that's gonna be a lot of vagal nerve reflex. If you have an issue with your cranial nerve system, you could respond poorly to breathwork. Does that make sense? Hey, and so like, you may not get the expected uptake out of doing that kind of coping mechanism. If you were having an issue with like motor premotor cortex, then exercise could make you way more stressed.

Amy Ledin 44:57

Okay, because I was gonna ask you about movement if you know (inaudible). Well, just because that's, you know, for like getting out and taking a walk, you know what I mean? Like some, for some people, I just wondered if science-wise is really doing anything to help.

Isaac Ho 45:11

Oh, the walking. Yeah, the walking does a lot because it is basically pumping the brain. And so what I mean by pumping the brain is not only is there like a, like a correlation between your right hip and your left parietal bone, like in the skull, and then we're doing a video of this. But basically, there's a swing that happens back and forth. And so when one side comes forward and one side goes backward, you have to squeeze and relax. So there's a pumping mechanism that happens just in the brain, you could say, but there's also a pumping mechanism that happens to the tissues of the body. So you're kind of clearing out when you walk. But if you were extremely dysregulated, in the motor cortex, it could make things worse. Now, usually walking does make people better. But I have seen cases where let's say you walking wouldn't make you better, but you have a totally scarred up low back. And so trying to get motion there, or that getting jammed, actually hurts you more. And then you start thinking like, oh my God, I've had this back problem, it's never gonna be better, I can't even walk and da-da-da-da-da. Now you're triggering all this at the hippocampus limbic system. And so then they become more dysregulated. So I usually what I'm doing is I'm finding the chains of how these follow, and then just fixing the chains or re re-syncing the chains. That's kind of you know, when it comes to coping mechanisms? Yeah, there's tons of coping mechanisms that can help people like we've named quite a few, I think, but they may not work for you, if you're dysregulation in that part of your brain cortex is severe. And I think some people like, like, why is TV so relaxing, like, obviously, TV is addictive, or people wouldn't binge out and Netflix wouldn't make the money that it's making. But you have to realize that when you're watching someone else, do something like your brains active, but you turned off a lot of your systems. And so you're actually not firing a lot of dysfunctional systems and when you have to actually use those systems, if they're dysregulated, it's really hard on you.

Amy Ledin 47:11

That's interesting. So I got thinking, as you're talking about that, like, you know, POTS, how POTS, it seems like, it's also I don't know, if it's, you know, could be just my reticular activating system seeing so much about it these days, because it's already on the forefront for me, but you, I, you see a lot of these rewiring type programs, you know, I say rewiring to help them is that because a lot of these systems are just not firing and sequencing together?

Isaac Ho 47:37

Yeah. So I haven't messed around with the technology you're talking about, I have a friend of mine, who's a doctor in California who has, and she, her story was basically she was in a car accident and couldn't walk or talk after it was so severe. And she used the rewiring software with the brain tracking to actually regain function.

Amy Ledin 47:56

Yeah, we've looked into it only because I was like, a lot of, it's a lot of commitment, right, daily, you gotta be doing it. But, and I think it's like a six-month program, but we were thinking about it for our, you know, teenager, but like, if I was doing it with her, so we were more compliant with doing it. But I was, I was interested what you, you thought of that, but.

Isaac Ho 48:16

I don't know (inaudible) my friend who used it had had really good results with it. I think from my understanding, what you're doing is you're training certain brain signals. And you're kind of base it's like working out, right? Like, imagine if you only worked out like delta waves or something, but they have like safeguards in there. Definitely don't change the settings. That's a whole different story. The researcher figured out what's best it's in there for a reason.

Amy Ledin 48:44

(Inaudible) like two a day because you think you're gonna get there faster.

Isaac Ho 48:47

Exactly. Yeah. Don't don't hurt your brain because you will hurt your brain if you do it incorrectly. (Inaudible) know that because she heard herself changing the waves and she had a seizure and she got permanent tremors that haven't gone away. So you do have to be careful with, you know, some of these innovations. Me personally, like there's a it's, it's I don't think it's a risky thing at all. I just say make sure you're supervised, whenever doing anything, just make sure you're supervised. That's the key. But I think something like that could be beneficial for someone for sure. Like, there's so many cool things out there in terms of the body's just so smart. So you give it an input, all you're thinking about is if I give it this input, what is it going to do in response to the input? And so whether it's like red light, or you know, violet laser, or, you know, any of the kinds of integrations I'm talking about or counseling, it's like those are just inputs. And so the reaction to the input based off the different systems like that's going to determine the kind of outcomes that you got. For most people. I think, if you have any trauma, there is powerlessness. That I think it's you can't you can't control someone if they don't give up their power. Governments know that right? So the at the end of the day, if you've been, quote, traumatized, and it was because of some kind of relationship and you felt powerless, you probably have a pattern of giving up power, right? So then the first normal response to that when you realize you've done that is to try to take your power back. But you do it in the way that, quote, let's say a terrorist would do you do it actually out of anger and violence, right. And so that hurts you too, because you're actually compensating for the original trauma. And so for a lot of people, what they need to do is they need to take back their power, but not from a place of anger, and not from a place of I was hurt, and you hurt me and I need to be strong. There's a difference between having power and needing to be powerful. And most people I think, don't realize that. And so if you can regain your power, but not need it, then you have detachment from it. If you need it, and you're insistent on it, then you're just operating inside of an injury, it just looks like a different paradigm, even though it's the same one.

Amy Ledin 51:00

That's so interesting and you kind of see it even in personalities, right? When you see people that they come across as extremely like alpha, whatever, but in reality, they're actually quite the opposite. Right? But they're, you know, I guess it's that protection mechanism, you know?

Isaac Ho 51:18

Exactly. It's the fear response that manifests as anger because they're afraid they won't get what they need. And then if they're in that same emotional state of not having what they needed, it re traumatizes them because they're not healed from that trauma.

Amy Ledin 51:30

Wow. So again, it kind of goes back then even to like our other the part one, where then you've got to clear you've got to go through the at least those stages of clearing it and replacing it with something, correct? Like that's where you would go back to?

Isaac Ho 51:45

Totally. We were talking about, there's the there's the energy side of things that I would definitely pay attention to, there is understanding yourself. So like, I'm never going to be as durable stress-wise, as another gland type, let's just say, and the gonadal type is probably always going to be more goofy, and want to focus on people more so than my type, which is probably even more calculating, or let's just say an adrenal type. And so also understanding your setup genetically, so you're not trying to create excessive friction on yourself, I see people try to, like operate from this place of I should be this way, because my parents were this way, they taught me this, my culture expects this, but it's totally incompatible with their actual physical being.

Amy Ledin 52:29

And how can someone can someone find out what type they are? Is there like tests you can take, you know, how there's like tests for things? Is there anything that could then steer someone I mean, I think of like aniograms, right, or things (inaudible) tell them.

Isaac Ho 52:41

Like an evaluation. To my knowledge, and I do a testing for this, like a test in my office, but the morphology is pretty telling, what I mean by morphology is there's different hormones that create different shapes of bones. And so you can actually look at the bone structure is a pretty usual general type, when I first learned that I was like, what, and then after a long time, it's like, you can pretty much guess it, but I don't like to guess it because like, I don't look like an anterior pituitary type, because I've lifted weights for 17 years. And so a lot of times people will think I'm an adrenal type, because of how thick I am. Because adrenal types are usually thick. So the testing is definitely more helpful, because, you know, people will take on the characteristics of whatever they're exposed to, but I would say, you know, one of the things we could do, we could link in the show notes of a handout, the handout that covers some of these, and I'm happy to (inaudible).

Amy Ledin 53:34

Okay, cool. So that would be awesome. Just even I know, that's one that I'm sure people like listening to this, I'd be curious like, what I am and then just not that, like you said, it doesn't excuse anything, but it does give you more awareness around why you behave the way you do. And I think other people too, like I've you know, like one of the best things Erik and I ever did was kind of share those extreme vulnerable like what are like, what are our biggest fears? Like, do I have the am I coming with abandonment issues, am I coming with because then it allows you to have more awareness have a little more empathy it doesn't mean you know, you excuse things, but then you're able to see certain things like I'll know when Erik's you know, maybe being triggered by something because of my own awareness and it allows me to just do my part and be like, okay, the last thing you know we used to we've gone to counseling once where they taught us your fight dance and your love dance. Your fight dance is like what's you know, when he does this how do you respond then where does it end? How to like, you know, reverse it right? And so, we I learned his fight dance, and I knew like if I do this, he's gonna do this. And if I continue the pattern, I already know what escalates from here. And it usually always ended with me walking out being like, I don't (inaudible) you know, like, whatever. Right? And being aware of that, also, I think helps us just, you know, show up as our best self like, even if you are like maybe might not even be you. I just find that it just makes it easier having that awareness around it.

Isaac Ho 55:05

Yeah, it does. For me, as a health coach, it's like, it's always just about taking care of yourself, is what it boils down to. Because I think the saddest part is we learn all these things about life, but they don't really teach us how to take care of ourselves. So then we run around sick and injured and there's really no education on that. And so, knowing your partner, it's helped me a lot. Man, I remember the first time I did motivators and understood my wife, and now I then I was, oh, that's why she's putting a silly, unusable ladder in our bedroom. You know, motivators, like maybe we talk about mental motivators in a different episode, because that's one of my (inaudible) yeah, that's there's a whole nother I'm gonna make a change that will change a lot on how someone kind of presents, which I think a lot of this, I think, you know, this kind of work comes from the merger of health and therapy that I've done, like coaching people, but also helping them with their health, and the outcomes. And so, I find it really fascinating how you can have one genetic type, to get altered them by an upbringing, get altered them by like an ancestral stressor, and then get altered, again, by motivators and values that were taught to you. You know, it's just fascinating to me.

Amy Ledin 56:22

I'm the same, I'm right there with you. And I think our upbringing sometimes probably pique our interest in that I know, for me, mine, it's like, I'm fascinated by the power of, I mean, just parenting, you know what I mean? And like them, seeing that and how it can affect you, you know, in future, but well, I'm excited, we're gonna do a part three. I had written down, we're gonna be talking about, you know, things that make us fat loss resistant. Am I in the right ballpark? Was that part of it?

Isaac Ho 56:50

Yep, we'll talk about nutrient absorption and how the body actually can malabsorb and how that gets stored as basically fat. I think that's really important for people to know. And it ties in perfectly, because of these top two things we discussed the energy field, or the emotions or the processing, or the dysregulation of stress in the brain is present, then yeah, fat loss is going to be a really, really difficult thing. And then we'll talk more about the different gland types and how that impacts fat loss too. I think that's always interesting.

Amy Ledin 57:18

Oh, that'll be fun. Well, you heard that. Listen, stress, you're going to learn on this next one probably going to be pretty depressed when we see like, what it does to the body and, you know, hopefully motivate people to be more serious, honestly about it. Because I think it's like the number one thing I see in, I witness from clients is that they're so stressed. And I get it right now in the world, like, even just going to the grocery store, just with the cost of you know, living right now. Like there's stressors, hitting everyone everywhere. So we need to be armed to know how to handle it to be aware of it, you know, and so we can actually have fat loss because we see that we're in there. Now, at age two, we're taught, I'm sure you'll bring up that as well, you know that it starts to get harder and harder. So thank you so much for coming today. I'm excited for next time. We will have show notes with things linked here, you guys and we'll see you next time.

Isaac Ho 58:11

Awesome. Thanks, Amy.

Amy Ledin 58:16

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