Structured Water: Health Benefits Revealed & What You Need to Know

Your Adrenal Fix With Dr Joel Rosen

Dr. Joel Rosen: Welcome back to another edition of your adrenal fix where we teach exhausted and burnt-out adults the truth about their health so that they can get their health back quickly. And I’m joined by an exciting colleague of ours and mentor and friend, Dr. Kelly Halderman, who has a background in functional medicine. She earned her medical degree in 2007.

And she completed her family medicine internship at the University of Minnesota in 2019. She’s an educator, she’s a formulator. She’s always on the cutting edge. And I invited her to come back onto our show because we could hear about what’s new and exciting in Kelly’s world. So Kelly, thank you so much for joining us today.

Dr. Kelly Halderman: Thanks, Dr. Jill. It’s great to be back. I think this may be my third time since.

Dr. Joel Rosen: Part three, yes, this is part two, yes. Yes. And we’ll put the other links to the parts and maybe we can kind of springboard from there. Because of the part ones and twos, we were talking about detox 2.5, and the role that that plays and how so maybe, let’s just maybe give the Reader’s Digest version of that. So that can kind of bring us into what we’re talking about today.

Dr. Kelly Halderman: Yeah, that’s a great place to start, I’m kind of known for being the detox, Queen. So obviously, it’s important and you know, phase 2.5. So we all know that we have detoxification mechanisms in our body. And up until about five years ago, I didn’t even know about phase 2.5. And I named it that because it’s the phase of detoxification that saved my life. We know that the liver is the workhorse of detoxification, when we think about it, we have phase zero, where the toxin is entering the liver phase one where it’s being transformed phase two words being made water-soluble because the goal when you have toxins in your bodies to get them out via your bile, now you can sweat them out, you know, there are different ways to toxins out but really in the liver, we need to make them water soluble, because the bile is mostly water, it’s aqueous, it’s an aqueous solution.

So your liver makes the bile gets squeezed into where it lands in the colon. And then we’re looking at it ending up in the toilet, so that’s great. So But the caveat is, is that when the toxin is made water soluble, you have to get, you have to get that pretty toxin, like into the bile. And there’s this step.

And it is so important that I named it because I’m like, let’s pay attention to 2.5. And that step involves getting it through its called the membrane canaliculus to get to the bile, right? So that’s up right there, we have to make sure that that transporter is open, what shuts that down that phase 2.5, getting the toxin out into you know, into the toilet and sort of back into your blood is inflammation.

So that’s a huge thing. dehydration. So if you’re dehydrated, and you don’t have any bile moving, and you’re kind of stuck with that, with that toxin, there are some other things but really that that premise right there of getting that movement going in the body. And I wrote a book about this, and it’s soon to be released.

And we’ll come back and talk about that. But go back to another podcast, we go in-depth on that. But detoxification and of itself is something that again, it’s it saved my life to get it going and properly. Get those phases going and not just do some random detox and July, I’ve learned from YouTube, we’ve kind of put our heads together about like, what’s the best way to do this? And we’ve had so much success, with weight loss, I mean, hormonal balances everything in your body, it really depends on you keeping the movement of toxins out right.

Dr. Joel Rosen: Now that’s an excellent chair. And it kind of points to the fact that a lot of people have it on their radar that are sick and dealing with major health challenges. Oh, I know, I got to do a liver detox, I got to do a juice cleanse, I need to get rid of these toxins that are building up in my body. People know they’re toxic, and realize that they have to do some kind of protocol. But what they don’t realize is sort of that perfect storm of inflammation shutting down that 2.5 window, but also that combination of there might be some genetic susceptibilities that make that a lot more difficult and you need to support that and it’s not just take your artichoke, dandelion and milk thistle and juice cleanse and everything’s just going to be fine.

So nuances. Yeah. As it relates to you, Kelly, what was it on the 2.5 that besides the inflammation, or were there any other factors that had made it more challenging for you up until learning about the 2.5 little window that they go through that made it difficult for you to you know, save your life You said that you were struggling so hard with.

Dr. Kelly Halderman: Yeah, two things that I had my gallbladder taken out At the ripe age of 20, for no good reason. And on the pathology report, they’re like completely normal Gulf gallbladder, so disappointed that that had to go because it’s not a vestigial organ. It’s a very important organ. And it’s one of the number one surgeries that we do here in the United States, and probably around the world. And we don’t have to do it if we can keep the bile flowing. My other problem was that as you said, Dr. Joel, I had genetic susceptibility, I wasn’t good at making bile. I wasn’t good at making Phospho title, choline.

And so that’s what makes your bile actually flow as well. So some prstacked up against me. And it’s only until I really dug into the genetics, you know, thank God for Bob Miller, and his software, and his genetic reports that I was able to see it and fix it right. So when you know better, you do better. But I will say that I’ve taken a little turn in my career about a year ago, I decided that I have these headhunters coming after me and asking me do I want to do this to do that, and I came across this biotech company, and the name of it i and their technology, the technology, I’m actually the Chief Medical Officer, it actually transforms normal hydration, normal water transforms water into waecrease oxidative stress, water that is structured in this month of June is we celebrate, it’s called The Great outdoorsman.

And I always think like we’re trying to get outside, we’re trying to get our steps in, we’re trying to be in nature, but it’s hard. But drinking, we’ll water actually brings nature into you, and how that relates to detox. Jewel, you know, it’s everything, it’s everything, if you’re dehydrated, which, you know, like the stats are out there, they’re kind of like, a little bit of a big range, but the majority of people walking around are hyper hydrated.

And that’s when I was like, You know what, I really think I can make a difference in the world. And that’s truly I mean, sounds kind of glib, but that I mean, that’s what I wanted to do, I wanted to help the most people that I can have the biggest impact.

And so you know, joining the company and optimizing like the clinical trials that we’re doing, and looking at the high impact, because guys, we also drink water and water is boring, we’ve been told for since we were little like, Okay, drink your eight glasses of water and but the higher impact is that the company that I work for, we can have water that’s infused with many more biomolecules, those biomolecules, one of which is molecular hydrogen, your audience may be familiar with that, it actually will open up that MRP two channel so it will actually help the bile and move out those toxins.

And then again, go back to the properties of water, your Bile is water, you know, you can’t poop without having proper proper hydration. So that’s kind of how I transitioned out the transition to this company. But really, you know, looking at a whole different use of water, you know, because again, we have to drink it, why don’t we get like so many more properties packed into it?

Dr. Joel Rosen: Yeah, that’s awesome. We can go so many different ways. And I want to cut down on some of those. So ultimately, what I always say to is because you know, I initially started off with my own health challenge of adrenal fatigue. And now I’ve gone down the rabbit hole of it’s really an energy fatigue, you’re not creating energy at the cellular level. And when you look at high school chemistry and all of those things that give you sort of the hairs at the, you know, Netcare stand up because you don’t want to study that stuff. But either way, the easiest formula that I explain to people that they forget, especially practicing doctors is food plus, oxygen equals energy plus water.

And so that’s what ultimately happens if we’re not combining the food we eat with the air we breathe effectively. Not only are we not producing enough energy, we’re not producing enough water. So I guess I’ll play devil’s advocate. Why can’t I mean most people understand this question, but maybe from your insights, why can I just drink filtered water or try not to drink or maybe talk about the dangers of God forbid someone’s just drinking tap water but let’s maybe kind of go through the from the evolution of you know, structured we will water from just out of the top kind of thing.

Dr. Kelly Halderman: So, PSA don’t drink tap water. Trust us like go to yours.

Dr. Joel Rosen: Nothing outside of this webinar or this seminar. Just don’t drink tap water.

Dr. Kelly Halderman: Long go do it just filter it somehow like just go for your I mean we could go down a rabbit hole filtering water but we’re not going to do it because there are so many different filters but so why Why drink Why Why choose we’ll water and I’m going to show you one of our bottles right here. This is our electrolysis or diamond or uncoated diamond. doped electrodes are in here. And so I pour the water in I press the button this poor filter water in there.

Dr. Joel Rosen: I mean could you do To put tap water in there, or obviously you’re not advising to do that, like, tell me maybe what would happen if you put just ordinary tap water in there.

Dr. Kelly Halderman: So there’s no harm done. If you put ordinary tap water, some places around the United States have good tap water, you just have to go to your website and look up, you know, like your county and see the water reports mine, no way what I drink my water, like. So you pour it, you pour it, and if you pour tap water, and the only caveat we have is that electrolysis can change a little bit of the chloride chlorine and make it a little bit smelly, like a pool, just a hint of a pool. So it just kind of smells different, nothing bad is gonna happen. If it’s the tap water.

Dr. Kelly Halderman: It’s tap water. Now, let’s say you so I have where if you go to find a spring.com, you can find natural glacial spring water. And that’s like the gold standard. So I have one two miles down the road, I use that now people can use reverse osmosis water, they can use your Fiji water, it doesn’t really even matter.

But, um, what we’re doing here is this is a glass bottle. So we’re like cutting down on the plastics. Because I am a huge non-fan of drinking out of plastics, you guys, your estrogen bad estrogen levels are already probably too high. And then you’re just tipping yourself with like drinking bottled water.

Dr. Joel Rosen: I’m like, we gotta if it wasn’t enough if it was topwater, it’s also bottled water that’s in leached in with the plastics that create even more challenges. Just, if you don’t want to get anything else out of this, you know this video today except stop drinking plastic bottles watered with the top then you’re already ahead of the game.

Dr. Kelly Halderman: So you’re ahead of the game. So that if you want to upgrade your water, right, like you wanted to do all these amazing properties, which I’ll go well, I’ll go through, you pour your water in you electrolyze it for 30 seconds and you just created dissolved oxygen, molecular hydrogen, you’ve restructured your water studies have shown that it decreases oxidative stress inflammation helps with there are some studies on actual body mass index so your fat stores so so water and of itself, hydration can help with burning fat, but this particular molecule and blend can actually help in studies in humans help with metabolic health and what it was at one in three people have pre-diabetes and the stats of metabolic syndrome that’s like when you get to the end in your meta metabolism is just lost.

You know, I’m into prevention. So there are biomolecules in there. You know, It has anti-aging properties in there. I wrote an entire book on the hallmarks of aging. So there are 12 hallmarks of aging. So it’s like everyone’s like, why do we age because nobody wants to age right? I mean, when we get older, we want to age well there are 12 mechanisms, and the wheel water components actually address and combat All 12, And one of those is dysbiosis you know what if you got a bad gut, first of all, go see Dr. Joel, he’ll fix you.

But if you got a bad gut you’re aging yourself chronic inflammation is a hallmark of aging Of course it is when we’re inflamed. So dysbiosis is the molecular hydrogen one of the components it actually helps to feed your good bacteria and not your bad bacteria. So you can have some gains in that I mean there are so many more studies on exercise performance has been done clinical trials saying that drinking components of real water you’re gonna have a better workout and less fatigue at the end.

So really, um, you know, more information if you really want to go looking about skin immunity, digestion, all those those those attributes to why you’d want to like up your water game is that we oh.com W E dash o.com. But I mean, I do lectures for doctors all over, you know, have tons of anti-aging, all kinds of seminars on neuroinflammation, your brain, and gut and it’s like, you know, it seems so simple, like how can this water do this, but we’re like partnering with all kinds of universities all over the world. We’ve been around for 15 years, we’ve, we’ve actually had tons of success in agriculture.

So the food you eat is being fed by well water. Right now we’re having better quality animals, better, healthier animals, less pesticide, less antibiotics, healthier crops, we increased egg production on one farm by 33%. Just drinking our water. So you know, the research that we have is mind-blowing. That’s part of why I came to this company again, because we’re partnering with UF, you know, Michigan, we’re doing scanning tunneling microscopy to compare our water. So it’s really like just this really simple thing that you can do and just get a lot of bang for your buck.

Dr. Joel Rosen: Yeah, that’s awesome. Correct me if I’m wrong. So when you have structured water and you’re creating ionizing changes to that water and hydrogen and oxygen is being liberated, is it true to say because, you know, from what Bob teaches and Having your inflammatory enzymes upregulated that’s spilling off free radicals which aren’t bad, right? In his words. They’re, they’re not bad until they are, right?

So if we have all these environmental factors, whether it’s the exhaust and the pesticides or EMFs, or histamines or smoking particulates, I mean, the list goes on and on, your body will produce those two major oxidative reactive species in terms of hydrogen peroxide and superoxide, which are good, you want that to kill pathogens and other chemical signalers. So that your body goes into defense mode.

But if it’s on all the time, then you see a higher presentation of auto immunities. And you see, all of these may be challenges with long COVID. So what happens is, with those ionizing parts of structured water, it’s actually creating those free radicals into more water, right? Because what it’s doing is donating electrons so that you’re converting those chemicals into water. Is that correct? So by actually taking the water, you’re creating more water that is that accurate? To say?

Dr. Kelly Halderman: Yes, you actually are inherently creating more water an excellent point, you’re so spot-on genius with your biochemistry. I don’t know how you, you keep it all. Like, I know, I can see you seeing the pathways right now you’re just like in a Fenton reaction. This is a good point, to mention that the component in wheel water is actually a selective antioxidant.

And you made an excellent point that it’s a balance, right? You know, that’s why we look at the studies with antioxidants. And they don’t turn out very well because antioxidants like typically like vitamin C and things and high doses of vitamin E are that you’re literally taking all the oxidants in your body and you’re flaming them out, but it’s a balance because we need some to fight pathogens. So molecular hydrogen actually goes in and only clenches the free radicals like the hydroxyl radical and peroxynitrite radical that cause damage, because there are free radicals in your body.

As you just mentioned, hydrogen peroxide, and superoxide, have signaling molecules. Positive effects, right? So you want to be selective with your accent, I wrote a blog post on this. And again, it’s all about balance, and this water, it does it for you. It selectively goes into your body and just squelches out what shouldn’t be there.

And then secondly, you mentioned some of those pathways that started me thinking about the nerve to pathway I’m sure your listeners are familiar with the Nerf to sulforaphane is a great compound that activates that anti-aging antioxidant pathway in your body inside your body. molecular hydrogen actually activates that. So by drinking it, you’re activating the production of glutathione and other positive antioxidants in your body as well. Endogenous ones.

Dr. Joel Rosen: Right, That’s a really good point. As far as I just had a great question that I was just listening to what you were saying, oh, yeah, so I know with some hydrogen water capsules, I just kind of found this out from Bob. The other day, I asked him off camera, Hey, I’ve had some patients of ours, that when they do that h2 absorb or whatever they are, in terms of getting the capsules, you put it in water, you see it is you got to make sure you drink it quickly. Otherwise, all that hydrogen sort of burns off.

But if there’s too much hydrogen gas, from from an intestinal bacterial overgrowth presentation, they’ll have a little bit of a kicking up of the ocean floor. And it’s actually a good pulsing test to determine, hey, you got some stuff going on here. You gotta address, does there have any ill effects? Or if there’s someone that’s dealing with some pathogenic growth and too much production of typical gases they may get some kind of response with structured water Kelly at all?

Dr. Kelly Halderman: Yeah, great question, Joe. So the saturation of hydrogen is actually 1.6 parts per million, right? And so at that point, you’re gonna have all the hydrogen trying to escape what there are two caveats with those tablets is one number one is that they’ve been found to be contaminated with heavy metals, and they’ve been pulled out of so many markets, right?

So we do not want that. And if there’s, you can go and type that in. And that’s true fact there. So that’s the number one thing and the second thing is is that that’s supersaturation of hydrogen. It’s not it doesn’t even mimic nature. And that’s what I’m trying to get my point across is that we want to do things that mimic nature and that’s why the structure of it if you increase the hydration you’re taking.

Dr. Joel Rosen: You’re sort of disassembling what’s already assembled right? You’re not as newer are out of there.

Dr. Kelly Halderman: Right? That’s right. And some of those natural springs, have that molecular hydrogen, they do not have it at 1.6 parts per million. And some of those tablets are just so supersaturated. It’s like bombing yourself, right? It’s spawning yourself.

Dr. Joel Rosen: So that’s why it’s so good. So then, as far as clinical studies go, I’d be kind of interested to go down that a little bit. One of the things we teach our audience and our patient base is the importance of pH testing. Actually, very funny. I did a TikTok post at some point and said, hey, it’s a great ad home, test to test your pH, your inflammation, and I got a bunch of nephrologists on there.

You don’t know what you’re talking about, and blah, blah, blah. But anyways, first and foremost, as far as pH testing goes, maybe you could speak with both hats on your holistic and your MD hat, in terms of whether is there a utility out of testing your pH? And when you do your wheel water? Do you see changes? Or is that part of any of the clinical trials? Or what are some of the outcomes that you’re actually measuring to determine that this is a selective antioxidant?

Dr. Kelly Halderman: Sure, I’ll start with the latter Versus that we do not manipulate the pH, there are some studies that are coming out with alkaline water and it’s not being held, right?

Dr. Joel Rosen: But that’s a good point. So you’re not actually changing the pH of the water, which a lot of people say, Oh, it’s a, it’s a high pH water. So or so let’s drink that. But that’s a great point, too, because I wasn’t even asking you about that. But thank you for bringing that up.

Dr. Kelly Halderman: Yeah, And so were we that’s an important point is that we are not manipulating again, the PHP, you know, we there was that time when alkaline water was so sexy and so hot, and, and really, it fizzled out, because really, you were getting the positive effects of having a little bit of molecular hydrogen in and now we’re looking at alkaline water.

And is it really that, you know, helpful and studies I have a study I can send, you know, like, it’s not helpful. But then back to your other question. I do like pH testing, I think that it’s very important to know your body, I love anything objective, like aura rings, and anything objective, you even get on your body, your HRV to help your health. And you want to make sure that you’re not having like a really acidic, like, there’s a range.

And I’m sure Joel Can you can riff on that for a long time. But you know, we want to be in that sweet spot. And I haven’t seen pH change with drinking the wheel water, but you would think that since it’s selectively scavenging hydroxyl radical, we’re having a nerf to activation, we’re producing water, like you said, like the end product is water. Perhaps we’d have more of a normalization. But I haven’t seen that. And you asked about clinical trials. I haven’t seen that as an outcome in the clinical trials in humans. But really interesting question.

Dr. Joel Rosen: Yeah, so just for people that might not understand the connection, the tissue oxygenation is a measure of pH, and the less oxygen, the more acidic, the lower the pH. And when you’re getting more hydrogen and oxygen combining together to produce water, instead of free radicals, you’re going to increase your tissue oxygenation, and hence, you’re going to increase your pH.

So that’s why it’s important to test your pH so that you can see first, are you acidic, and if you are, then chances are microbes are abundant, heavy metals, lots of environmental pathogens that are producing these, the need for structured water in the first place. Very interesting stuff. So as far as the clinical outcomes that you are doing, how are you measuring? Like, what are some of the variables that you’re measuring? Are you doing metabolic profiles? Are you looking at other inflammatory markers? Are you looking at cytokines? What are you actually doing? Just kind of curious.

Dr. Kelly Halderman: Sure. So um, first, let’s talk about the existing literature. So there are papers done. In humans, again, everything that says clinical, always means in humans, which is the gold standard, right, you have to have a gold standard to make any sort of claim. There have been studies showing an increase in telomere length, and DNA methylation changes, so that’s all your anti-aging. So again, the mechanism of there’s I mean, there are so many proposed mechanisms of molecular hydrogen beyond being a selection of an accident.

And again, cell signaling and all kinds of different pathways, are very fascinating to nerds, like us doctors. But really, the end game is like when I’m drinking this, what is it doing for me? So again, there are anti-aging papers, there are exercise performance papers. One of the things is that looking at the markers of inflammation like you said, some of those inflammatory genes il one beta TNF alpha. Now, this is the caveat is that when when you are inflamed, if I’m inflamed, and you’re inflamed, I could have migraines and eczema. You can have kidney disease and high liver enzymes.

So really, when you’re looking at decreasing the root cause of disease, you’re gonna get a lot of different phenotypic expressions of what’s it doing for me. Now also, that’s a lot of people saying, like, it helps my gut, it cleared up my eczema, I don’t have headaches, it’s kind of all over the place, with the effects because that’s just how the body works. Like, that’s, that’s, that’s part of like, our individuality. So you kind of look at the studies, there was a study done, and people with potential metabolic syndrome, so they didn’t have metabolic syndrome, yet, they didn’t have all the, the, you know, the actually diagnoseable.

But they were close. And it showed that it actually helped reverse some of those glucose abnormalities, body fat indices being over, you know, over again, it’s like, you took that group of people, they were at risk for that, and it helped with that. And I think it’s an underlying mechanism, or, again, it’s been shown to decrease some of those oxidative markers.

You know, there’s, there are other studies, there’s, um, there’s a, an RNA seeks that they did that’s really high level looking into people’s DNA and RNA expression. And it showed some helpfulness in the immunity pathways, and that was through decreasing oxidative stress. And, you know, again, it goes on and on about all the positive studies. Now, what we’re doing is that, so I like to think, and thank you for, for telling me telling the audience today, I like to think futuristically, I like to think like cutting edge upon cardio.

So what are people doing at Harvard? What are they doing? What are they researching? What are they using, and so they’re using a lot of these tests, like true diagnostics, they’re using glycans, they’re using that DNA that methylation those really, you know, we really didn’t know about this not that long ago. So we’re looking at using that kind of data.

So your biological age, so I am X years old, right? And then you take your biological age, and I happen to be like seven years younger, and you bet you’re but I better be younger, because I do about a million things, right? So we’re looking at testing, biological age in the people that are drinking the water. And then biological age, after three months, those results should be around the corner for everyone.

But who doesn’t want to reverse their biological age that I mean that I mean, and with that, we’ll be looking at, again, immunity markers, we’ll be looking at digestion, digestive health, we’ll be looking at some skin health, because some people are actually applying the water topically and having good results with that. You know, there are all kinds of positive results to sleep.

Dr. Joel Rosen: Oh, that’s awesome. If I’m a discerning citizen, and I’m thinking about purchasing, lifestyle enhancement, longevity optimization products, and I’m talking, and I’m listening to an interview of a medical director for a company that really cares about validating what it is that they’re doing. You’re right, I don’t almost need to know about the specific conclusions and what, you know, journal article it’s in, but I know that they’re caring enough to, you know, to want to validate exactly what it is that they’re doing.

And, great point to Kelly, in terms of I tell this to a lot of people as well as this depends on where the weak links in the chain break, right? Because some people will say, Well, this does help my hair, this helps my skin and someone else may take it and there it will help ultimately refill the bucket analogy wise, of the depleted holes in the bucket, you know, the bottom of the barrel challenges that you have, but you may be replenished, you know, Flora for the microbiome that is not necessarily directly enhancing your hair and your skin and like, well, it didn’t work for me the way it worked for you.

Of course, it didn’t. You’re different. Everyone has different problems. So great for highlighting that. Because I think that’s a major takeaway for people, depending on where your weak links break, meaning, what are all the environmental factors that you’re dealing with? What are your thought processes around those? Because they’re very important? What are some of the genetic susceptibilities that you have? And then where did the weak links in the chain break when the consistent signaler inflammation free radicals because everyone does understand that it’s an inflammatory thing, at the end of the day, your cells aren’t breathing properly, right? They’re not respiring properly, you’re not converting the food into energy. As a result, you have all these free radicals that are supposed to come together to produce ATP in water, and you’re not you’re dehydrated and you’re sick, and you’re weakening the links in the chain that are breaking here versus there. So I mean, is there anything you wanted to add to that?

Dr. Kelly Halderman: Yeah, actually, you brought up a point that I wanted to circle back to is that we are using electrons Allah says, so that’s the, basically you’re splitting up the water molecules with energy, we’re actually creating energy. So we’re creating electrons in the water.

And then so you know, when you’re drinking the electrons, there’s studies to be done. But we’re hearing a lot of like, increased energy. And that’s kind of making sense with my I have bachelor’s in chemistry and biochemistry emphasis. And so it’s kind of making sense with that, but everybody could use some extra energy. And I’m not saying that you shouldn’t get the way that you’re processing fluid and getting all your metabolism, right? But those electrons come in giving you a boost. And then they’re also electrons themselves into accidents.

Dr. Joel Rosen: Right, right. And the technology in the bottle from what you’re telling me because it does take energy to create that energy, but it’s not your energy, it’s the path. It’s the energy of the technology, that splits that up so that it’s liberating. And creating the energy for you to be able to repackage it up and take care of some of the challenges you have in your body.

So I guess the elephant in the room is what do these go for? What am I looking at? If I’m purchasing these, I always feel like you know what, that’s a new thing that I’m doing. There’s always an open in the room, you know, and why don’t we ever address that elephant?

Dr. Kelly Halderman: So if I’m, I would love to talk about this elephant because it’s, it’s really important. So when you go to the airport, and you buy a bottle of Fiji water, how much does that Fiji water cost?

Dr. Joel Rosen: At the airport? Probably what? $10 now, right?

Dr. Kelly Halderman: What did you buy it at? Like? Yeah, the supermarket? Let’s just

Dr. Joel Rosen: Fiji water? Probably what? Three or $4? Yeah.

Dr. Kelly Halderman: Okay, so you take that time. So $3, let’s say you bought one a day for $3. And you do it times 120 days. So if you bought that Fiji water bottle about three and a half months later you have to pay for your entire wheel bottle, like and then you’re actually giving back to the environment. Because it’s not this is glass, this is reusable, you’re not getting the toxins in so they sell for about 380.

But really, it’s like your little tiny bottle of whatever you’re drinking, you know, even if you got like Aquafina, and it was only $1 That adds up really quickly. So I’m also we have a discount code that you can offer for 10% off. And so you know you’re helping the environment because you’re helping yourself with not getting all the plastics in there. And you know, it’s really durable. Again, I bring mine everywhere I fly with mine.

Dr. Joel Rosen: I mean how much does it hold?

Dr. Kelly Halderman: Is it a leader? Does it hold?

Dr. Joel Rosen: Yes, it is a leader. Right? 750? Maybe a little more?

Dr. Kelly Halderman: I think it holds. Um, let me circle back with that one. I’m not quite I’m not exactly sure. I need to

Dr. Joel Rosen: Put you on the spot there.

Dr. Kelly Halderman: Yeah, I really didn’t know.

Dr. Joel Rosen: Much this much. Here is how much it holds. Right? Yeah. Do they? Do they have you had any problems traveling with it?

Dr. Kelly Halderman: I’ve taken it everywhere. I just had a friend take him to New Zealand and back. And we have all these really, really cool colors, cool sleeves, and stuff. So I mean, like, my kids got these at school, you know, like, you know, the people are like, Oh, that’s, you know, that’s really neat. And, you know, and again, I just really believe in it is it’s an expensive device. But really, it’s like you have to drink water. You just have to get over it anyway.

Dr. Joel Rosen: Does it have like, sorry to interrupt? Does it have a certain length of time that it’s typically used for like, can you Is it five years.

Dr. Kelly Halderman: Three or four years? You’re using it every single day, like every single day.

Dr. Joel Rosen: Just it’s like the ability to create that electrolysis is depleted.

Dr. Kelly Halderman: It’s hardware, it’s a hardware issue, like after about four years of continuous use every single day, right? You know, and we actually have an app that you sync to your phone, you sync the bottle your phone in and it’s like a hydration accountability partner, my wheel Apple say, Hey, you didn’t drink your water this morning. Because it knows you can electrolyze it in your room. It’ll be like time to drink up and then I’ll reward you and be like, good job you drink.

Dr. Joel Rosen: Yeah, I love the gamification of things. That’s really cool. We were talking about what the 10% off discount less than $1 a day but you know, at the end of the day, you’re you know, cheap is expensive and I understand people are dealing with health challenges and they’re spending a lot of money on staying afloat. Right and so they have to be very wise with their decisions.

And I would agree with you in terms of the value of getting good quality water if not like we said just leaving this podcast and just stopping getting exposed and removing exposure of something but I always say there are two sides to the coin. It’s not just stopping what you’re getting supposed to, but introducing what you’re not getting exposed to. And really that’s what that is.

So, as far as I was, like, I’m gonna switch this up to sort of a curveball. I always ask our guests sort of on leaving, I usually ask them Hey, what do you wish you knew then that you know now but where? Where is Kelly headed with? What we’ll or other innovative concepts? Or what do you see coming on the horizon? With the research that you’re doing? Maybe you can give us a primer on where, where that’s headed?

Dr. Kelly Halderman: Yeah, I love this question. So um, one of the easy answers is that we’re coming out with a pet bowl, so that’ll be fun because you start, it’s like flowing fountain water and you start giving your animals this water and I swear, like they, they won’t go back to like regular rivers.

So they get very snobby. And they do they get real snobby with one in the wheel water, and it’s, you know, like, gone when I sat in their bowl, and, you know, also on the horizon is obviously doing a lot of clinical trials, really, I mean, we believe in science, we’re like the global leader in water science research, we’re all over the world doing this, we’re continuing it again if I showed you some of the scanning tunneling microscopies that our engineers and our scientists and our PhDs are doing, just blow your mind because it’s like, we’re just so deeply invested in agriculture and sustainability and you know, trying to make the world a better place and water is, I mean, when we go looking for life on other planets, what are we looking for? Water, you know, I mean, like, what is the most essential macromolecule water we cannot live with without water?

Dr. Joel Rosen: And so there is remember the the movie was Idiocracy. Did you ever see that? Yeah, I mean, it’s not too far off. But basically, that movie was about pumping, like a Gatorade-type fluid into the crops, and everyone was getting dumber and dumber and dumber. And as much as that’s an exaggeration. It’s not too far off from the truth and not so much. Everyone’s getting dumber, but everyone’s getting more minerals depleted. Yes, minerals really power up our, our body.

And I always say Kelly, if you’re not creating energy, you’re creating exhaust. If you’re not creating income, you’re creating an expense. It’s not one band, it’s one or the other. It’s not right, so that metabolic switch, is awesome information. So what we’re gonna do is you’re going to, we don’t have it yet, but you’re going to provide me with the discount link so that we can give the audience 10% off, and then what do they if there are any other ways that they might be interested in following you? Or the following way? Or what are some of the and I can put these in the show notes as well. But how would they hear more about what you do and your book coming up and all that kind of stuff?

Dr. Kelly Halderman: So we are on social media as and we’ll see just go to we owe in interest? Oh, right, as we always do for the ones we love, that’s what we think we’ll water for the ones we love. So we’re everywhere just type us and we’re on every social media channel. We have an amazing social media guru marketer she’s just terrific. I personally am at Dr. K. M. Halderman on Instagram, like my personal stuff, and like the work we did with Dr. Airco, cabbage on the thyroid debacle and all that’s on all that stuff is on my personal but it reached out to me like you have questions about it.

Do you want to know more about it? You know, like I am a skeptic at heart. I don’t believe anything. I’m sorry. I just don’t I don’t believe any but I think like everybody’s my enemy until they’re my friend. Or you know, like everything is a scam until it’s not. And I just literally like fell in love with this company that technology what we’re doing for the world or what we’re so just you know, like, even if you don’t buy a bottle, just support us because I put out a lot of really good content on all things like water hydration, like what you can do better even just on like tap water and stuff.

Dr. Joel Rosen: So and what about what’s the book? Do you have another one coming out?

Dr. Kelly Halderman: Yeah, phase 2.5.

Dr. Joel Rosen: Awesome. Yeah, how do you have time? I mean, maybe we can have a whole podcast on how you have the time to do everything that you’re doing. I’d like to move.

Dr. Kelly Halderman: To think about that for you, too. You do a lot and you put a lot of amazing content out there. So I’d appreciate it.

Dr. Joel Rosen: Yeah, I appreciate it. We’ll have to do part four, when when the next technology comes out. But thank you so much for spending your time and educating our audience and providing the discount links and continuing to be passionate about the ones you love. And I appreciate everything that you do. Kelly, thank you so much. Thank you.

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