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In this episode of It Depends, host Kevin Goldsmith dives into Chapter 26 of his book It Depends: Writing on Technology Leadership 2012–2022. Kevin shares his firsthand experiences with the Spotify model—a revolutionary approach to team organization designed to foster agility, innovation, and collaboration.

Drawing on his years at Spotify, Kevin explains how the model allows teams to dynamically form, dissolve, and remix based on company needs. He also addresses some common misconceptions about its application and reflects on lessons learned from the Spotify model and how to adapt its principles to other organizations.

Don’t forget to subscribe to the accompanying newsletter and share your thoughts via the linked listener survey to help shape the future of the podcast!

Links to things mentioned in the podcast:

Listener Survey: https://forms.gle/JVeKHsHJKhEM3dvK6
The book: It Depends: Writing on Technology 2012-2022
Your host: Kevin Goldsmith
The newsletter issue with the text of this chapter: https://kevingoldsmith.substack.com/p/the-spotify-model
The Spotify Model Whitepaper: https://blog.crisp.se/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/SpotifyScaling.pdf
The Spotify Model videos: https://blog.crisp.se/2014/03/27/henrikkniberg/spotify-engineering-culture-part-1
Spotify Q3 2024 Numbers (640 MAU): https://variety.com/2024/digital/news/spotify-q3-2024-earnings-premium-subscribers-1236207771/

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It Depends: Lessons in Technology Leadership

The Spotify model: how to create, dissolve, and remix teams to be more dynamic and more innovative

It Depends: Lessons in Technology Leadership

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Don’t forget to subscribe to the accompanying newsletter and share your thoughts via the linked listener survey to help shape the future of the podcast!

Links to things mentioned in the podcast:

Listener Survey: https://forms.gle/JVeKHsHJKhEM3dvK6
The book: It Depends: Writing on Technology 2012-2022
Your host: Kevin Goldsmith
The newsletter issue with the text of this chapter: https://kevingoldsmith.substack.com/p/the-spotify-model
The Spotify Model Whitepaper: https://blog.crisp.se/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/SpotifyScaling.pdf
The Spotify Model videos: https://blog.crisp.se/2014/03/27/henrikkniberg/spotify-engineering-culture-part-1
Spotify Q3 2024 Numbers (640 MAU): https://variety.com/2024/digital/news/spotify-q3-2024-earnings-premium-subscribers-1236207771/

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The Myth of the Startup in a Large Company with Kevin Stewart 1:05:45

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In this special episode, Kevin Goldsmith is joined by longtime friend and peer Kevin Stewart, SVP of Engineering at Splice, to challenge the familiar but flawed narrative: that a team inside a big company can "operate like a startup." Drawing on their shared experiences at Adobe and divergent paths through startups, they explore why innovation often stalls inside large organizations and what makes real startup environments fundamentally different. This wide-ranging conversation touches on culture, risk, incentives, and why resource contention, not imagination, derails corporate innovation. Whether you lead a startup or a legacy company trying to move faster, this episode offers valuable perspective. Listener Survey: https://forms.gle/JVeKHsHJKhEM3dvK6 The book: It Depends: Writing on Technology 2012-2022 Your host: Kevin Goldsmith The Guest: Kevin Stewart This chapter in the newsletter: https://kevingoldsmith.substack.com/p/the-myth-of-the-startup-in-a-large-5c7…

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Lessons From Creating The Spotify Technology Career Steps 44:42

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In this episode of the "It Depends" podcast, host Kevin Goldsmith discusses the lessons learned from creating Spotify's Technology Career Steps framework. Kevin shares insights from his experience leading the effort to build a structured career path for Spotify's technology team, discussing the process's challenges and successes. The episode covers key topics such as balancing behaviors versus achievements in career growth, the importance of aligning career pathing systems with company culture, and the complexities of integrating the framework with compensation. Kevin also reflects on how Spotify's technology-driven culture influenced the approach and how the company's evolution affected the longevity of the framework. Tune in to hear Kevin's thoughts on what he would do differently today and how his experiences continue to shape his approach to career pathing in leadership roles. Plus, Kevin offers advice for technology leaders who are looking to develop similar frameworks within their own organizations. Listener Survey: https://forms.gle/JVeKHsHJKhEM3dvK6 The book: It Depends: Writing on Technology 2012-2022 Your host: Kevin Goldsmith This chapter in the newsletter: https://kevingoldsmith.substack.com/p/things-we-learned-creating-technology…

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Spotify Technology Career Steps 50:40

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In this episode of "It Depends: Lessons in Technology Leadership," host Kevin Goldsmith discusses Chapter 33 of his book, which details the career framework he helped develop at Spotify. Kevin emphasizes that a career pathing framework is the most critical document for engineering leaders. It serves as the backbone of organizational culture by reinforcing desired behaviors through promotion and performance management. Kevin explains how the Spotify framework was carefully designed to: Emphasize team over individual contribution (reflecting Swedish vs. American cultural differences) Focus on behaviors and professional maturity rather than achievements Define spheres of impact that expand with seniority Align individual success with company success Provide flexibility in career choices He describes the careful considerations that went into creating the framework, including being conservative with the number of levels and keeping step designations private to avoid embarrassing employees. Kevin also shares personal experiences from Microsoft that influenced his approach. This episode is part of a trio on career pathing, with the next episode covering lessons learned from implementing the framework. Listener Survey: https://forms.gle/JVeKHsHJKhEM3dvK6 The book: It Depends: Writing on Technology 2012-2022 Your host: Kevin Goldsmith This chapter in the newsletter: https://kevingoldsmith.substack.com/p/spotify-technology-career-steps…

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Building a technical career path at Spotify 44:29

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In this episode of the "It Depends" podcast, host Kevin Goldsmith shares his unique experience designing Spotify's engineering career framework. As the leader of this initiative, Kevin provides a behind-the-scenes look at how Spotify's distinct career pathing system was developed, a system that reinforced its unique engineering culture rather than undermining it. Kevin explains the delicate balance of timing when implementing a career framework. Waiting too long (as Spotify did) can cause problems, but implementing too early can stifle a growing organization. He emphasizes how career pathing must align with company values, as it directly influences what behaviors get rewarded and ultimately shapes your culture. The episode covers Spotify's collaborative approach to creating its "Career Steps" framework, involving representatives from across the organization rather than simply adopting another company's model. Kevin shares their guiding principles, including the crucial shift from focusing on achievements to behaviors, supporting specialists and generalists, and defining career growth by expanding spheres of influence. Whether you're a tech leader contemplating how to structure growth paths for your team or an individual contributor wondering how career frameworks influence company culture, this episode is a must-listen. It offers valuable insights into one of the most foundational aspects of engineering leadership, insights that are relevant and beneficial for both roles. Listener Survey: https://forms.gle/JVeKHsHJKhEM3dvK6 The book: It Depends: Writing on Technology 2012-2022 Your host: Kevin Goldsmith This chapter in the newsletter: https://kevingoldsmith.substack.com/p/building-a-technical-career-path ELC Seattle meetup: https://elc.community/home/clubs/seattle-kcr/events/elc-x-airbnb-seattle-meetup-7oxyok5u0d…

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Changing Hiring Practices to Build a More Diverse Technology Organization 36:17

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Are your hiring practices unintentionally limiting diversity in your organization? In this episode of It Depends host Kevin Goldsmith explores the critical changes that can help technology companies build more inclusive and high-performing teams. Drawing on his experience scaling engineering teams, Kevin challenges conventional hiring biases—such as prioritizing certain universities or requiring excessive pre-interview work—and offers actionable steps to reduce bias in the hiring process. If you're a tech leader, hiring manager, or aspiring executive, this episode is packed with insights on creating a fairer, more equitable hiring pipeline—without lowering the bar. Tune in to learn how intentional changes can lead to stronger, more diverse teams, benefiting your company and the industry. Listener Survey: https://forms.gle/JVeKHsHJKhEM3dvK6 The book: It Depends: Writing on Technology 2012-2022 Your host: Kevin Goldsmith This chapter in the newsletter: https://kevingoldsmith.substack.com/p/changing-hiring-practices-to-build…

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A diversity challenge: tech start-ups have a great opportunity 21:17

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As major tech companies retreat from their commitments to diversity, equity, and inclusion, startups can lead the way. In this episode, Kevin Goldsmith explores why diverse teams consistently build better products and create stronger, more effective workplaces. He reflects on personal experiences in leadership, shares insights on how startups can leverage the "law of small numbers" to make a meaningful impact, and explains why prioritizing diversity isn't just the right thing to do—it’s also smart business. Tune in to hear why building an inclusive team can be a competitive advantage and get a preview of the next episode’s discussion on practical strategies for hiring a diverse tech team. Listener Survey: https://forms.gle/JVeKHsHJKhEM3dvK6 The book: It Depends: Writing on Technology 2012-2022 Your host: Kevin Goldsmith This chapter in the newsletter: https://kevingoldsmith.substack.com/p/a-diversity-challenge-tech-start…

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Building a Management Training Curriculum at Avvo 29:58

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In Episode 27 of It Depends: Lessons in Technology Leadership , Kevin Goldsmith explores the process of creating a management training curriculum at Avvo. Reflecting on his journey as a manager and lessons learned from his early days at Microsoft and Adobe, Kevin highlights the importance of intentional training for engineering managers. This episode delves into the innovative approach used at Avvo, including collaborative exercises to identify training priorities and designing tailored development programs to support technology leaders. Discover actionable insights on fostering a strong management culture, balancing technical and managerial responsibilities, and creating effective learning experiences for teams. Whether you're an aspiring manager, an experienced leader, or part of a team looking to improve, this episode offers practical guidance and inspiration. Tune in to learn how to build a management training framework that elevates your organization! Listener Survey: https://forms.gle/JVeKHsHJKhEM3dvK6 The book: It Depends: Writing on Technology 2012-2022 Your host: Kevin Goldsmith This chapter in the newsletter: https://kevingoldsmith.substack.com/p/building-a-management-training-curriculum…

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Using Self-Selection to Create Journey Teams at Avvo 47:43

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In this insightful episode of The It Depends Podcast , host Kevin Goldsmith, seasoned CTO and author, takes listeners behind the scenes of his first CTO role at Avvo, a legal tech company. Kevin shares his real-world experience in transforming the organizational structure by introducing journey teams—an innovative approach influenced by, but distinct from, Spotify’s model. He discusses the challenges of managing small teams, the necessity of fostering team autonomy while maintaining accountability, and the crucial role of leadership in balancing top-down constraints with bottom-up ownership. Kevin dives into the process of moving from a traditional hierarchy to a matrix organization and ultimately to journey teams. He explains how self-selection played a key role in empowering teams, fostering engagement, and driving sustainable growth in a fast-scaling company. Listeners will gain practical insights into building adaptable organizational structures tailored to company culture, evolving leadership styles, and scaling strategies for tech teams. If you’re a technology leader navigating team scaling, culture transformation, or thinking of adopting self-selection and journey teams in your organization, this episode is packed with actionable takeaways. Listener Survey: https://forms.gle/JVeKHsHJKhEM3dvK6 The book: It Depends: Writing on Technology 2012-2022 Your host: Kevin Goldsmith This chapter in the newsletter: https://kevingoldsmith.substack.com/p/using-self-selection-to-create-journey…

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Thoughts on emulating Spotify’s matrix organization in other companies 44:06

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In this episode of It Depends , host Kevin Goldsmith, a seasoned technology leader and CTO, explores the intricacies of Spotify's famed matrix organization model and its applicability to other companies. Drawing from his firsthand experiences at Spotify during its formative years, Kevin delves into the successes and challenges of implementing the Spotify model, addressing common misconceptions and the cultural nuances that influence its effectiveness. Kevin recounts how the model's flexibility and autonomy transformed team dynamics and how its structure has been adapted (or misapplied) by other companies. He also discusses how the U.S. workplace culture, rooted in individualism, impacted the adoption of Spotify’s collaborative team-oriented practices. The episode is filled with insights on organizational scaling, the benefits of full-stack teams, and the pivotal role of company-specific cultural alignment in applying the model. Listener Survey: https://forms.gle/JVeKHsHJKhEM3dvK6 The book: It Depends: Writing on Technology 2012-2022 Your host: Kevin Goldsmith Interviews with Kevin (about the Spotify model and other things): https://www.kevingoldsmith.com/resume.html#interviews For your start of year planning: The Personal Strategy Off-site , Own your Calendar The newsletter issue with the text of this chapter: https://kevingoldsmith.substack.com/p/thoughts-on-emulating-spotifys-matrix The Spotify Model Whitepaper: https://blog.crisp.se/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/SpotifyScaling.pdf…

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The Spotify model: how to create, dissolve, and remix teams to be more dynamic and more innovative 30:22

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In this episode of It Depends , host Kevin Goldsmith dives into Chapter 26 of his book It Depends: Writing on Technology Leadership 2012–2022 . Kevin shares his firsthand experiences with the Spotify model—a revolutionary approach to team organization designed to foster agility, innovation, and collaboration. Drawing on his years at Spotify, Kevin explains how the model allows teams to dynamically form, dissolve, and remix based on company needs. He also addresses some common misconceptions about its application and reflects on lessons learned from the Spotify model and how to adapt its principles to other organizations. Don’t forget to subscribe to the accompanying newsletter and share your thoughts via the linked listener survey to help shape the future of the podcast! Links to things mentioned in the podcast: Listener Survey: https://forms.gle/JVeKHsHJKhEM3dvK6 The book: It Depends: Writing on Technology 2012-2022 Your host: Kevin Goldsmith The newsletter issue with the text of this chapter: https://kevingoldsmith.substack.com/p/the-spotify-model The Spotify Model Whitepaper: https://blog.crisp.se/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/SpotifyScaling.pdf The Spotify Model videos: https://blog.crisp.se/2014/03/27/henrikkniberg/spotify-engineering-culture-part-1 Spotify Q3 2024 Numbers (640 MAU): https://variety.com/2024/digital/news/spotify-q3-2024-earnings-premium-subscribers-1236207771/…

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Transcript of my speech from OPEX Week Summer 2018 24:23

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Kevin Goldsmith, Chief Technology Officer and author of It Depends: Writing on Technology Leadership (2012–2022) , shares a unique chapter from his audiobook in this episode of It Depends. Recorded on the road in Chicago, Kevin reflects on his unexpected journey into the Operational Excellence (OpEx) community, a world rooted in Six Sigma and Lean methodologies. Kevin recounts his experiences speaking at OpEx conferences and collaborating with leaders in industries where quality is critical, such as manufacturing and hardware. He highlights the contrasts between OpEx's failure-averse approach and Agile's embrace of learning through small, manageable failures. Through engaging anecdotes and lessons learned, Kevin emphasizes stepping outside your comfort zone to engage with professionals in different fields. This episode offers valuable insights for leaders in technology and beyond. It explores how diverse perspectives can challenge assumptions and foster growth. Tune in to learn how principles of operational excellence can complement tech leadership while avoiding the pitfalls of over-applying rigid frameworks. Don’t forget to subscribe to the accompanying newsletter and share your thoughts via the linked listener survey to help shape the future of the podcast! Links to things mentioned in the podcast: Listener Survey: https://forms.gle/JVeKHsHJKhEM3dvK6 The book: It Depends: Writing on Technology 2012-2022 Your host: Kevin Goldsmith The It Depends Newsletter…

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Hiring Agile Coaches 35:14

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In this episode of The It Depends Podcast , host Kevin Goldsmith dives into the intricacies of hiring agile coaches—a role he discovered while working at Spotify and which has been transformative in his approach to building high-performing teams. Kevin shares personal stories of successes and challenges with agile coaches across different companies, reflecting on how this role can dramatically boost productivity and collaboration, although sometimes misunderstood. He also explores the current state of Agile and muses on what might come next for the industry. Tune in to learn about the nuances of agile coaching, the evolution of Agile, and strategies for demonstrating the value of agile practices beyond the engineering team. Links to things mentioned in the podcast: The Humanizing Work Show: https://www.humanizingwork.com/kevin-goldsmith/ Listener Survey: https://forms.gle/JVeKHsHJKhEM3dvK6 The book: It Depends: Writing on Technology 2012-2022 This chapter in the newsletter Your host: Kevin Goldsmith The It Depends Newsletter…

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Management and Systems Thinking 30:50

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In this episode of It Depends host Kevin Goldsmith dives into the art of management through the lens of systems thinking. Using the metaphor of gardening, Kevin explores how leaders can “plant the seeds” for success by setting up the right environment, empowering teams, and stepping back to let growth happen organically. He shares practical insights on Kanban boards, the power of autonomy, and the challenges of fostering alignment across teams with different goals. Whether you're a seasoned leader or just stepping into management, this episode is packed with actionable advice to help you cultivate high-performing teams. 🌱 Links to things mentioned in the podcast: Listener Survey: https://forms.gle/JVeKHsHJKhEM3dvK6 The book: It Depends: Writing on Technology 2012-2022 Your host: Kevin Goldsmith The It Depends Newsletter Management 3.0 Thinking in Systems Architecture and Organization…

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Writing Useful Performance Reviews: Delivering the Review 37:21

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In this episode of It Depends , Kevin Goldsmith wraps up his insightful series on crafting and delivering effective performance reviews. Drawing from his extensive experience as a CTO and tech leader, Kevin discusses the challenges and nuances of giving feedback, especially for senior leaders who might not receive regular performance reviews themselves. He shares practical strategies for self-evaluation and growth, including the importance of building a personal advisory board and seeking feedback from direct reports. Tune in to gain valuable insights into navigating performance reviews at all levels of leadership. Links to things mentioned in the podcast: The book: It Depends: Writing on Technology 2012-2022 Your host: Kevin Goldsmith The It Depends Newsletter "How do you keep growing when you are the leader of the organization" - my talk from LeadingEng 2022 My "Management Books" Goodreads shelf The newsletter issue with this chapter…

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Writing Useful Performance Reviews: Making a Raise Recommendation 38:41

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