Grit explores what it takes to create, build, and scale world-class organizations. It features weekly episodes highlighting the leaders who are pushing their companies to make a difference. This series is hosted by Joubin Mirzadegan, go to market operating partner at Kleiner Perkins, a venture capital firm investing in history-making founders.
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#205 CEO Snowflake, Sridhar Ramaswamy: Visibility
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Guest: Sridhar Ramaswamy, CEO of Snowflake “People underestimate what it is to go through a complete reset,” says Snowflake CEO Sridhar Ramaswamy. And he knows it: After an incredible 15-year run at Google, he started over from zero with an AI search startup, Neeva. And in hindsight, he regrets not trying to port over more of the skills that had ma…
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#204 Founder and Former CEO Blue Bottle, James Freeman: After the Exit
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Guest: James Freeman, Founder and Former CEO of Blue Bottle Coffee In the six or so years since he sold his last shares of Blue Bottle Coffee to Nestlé, James Freeman has had a lot of time to ruminate — about how he succeeded in creating a unique café experience, and also the ways he failed his workers as a manager. But he’s already thinking about …
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#203 CEO Niantic, John Hanke: Buried Ships
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Guest: John Hanke, CEO of Niantic When Pokémon Go launched, Niantic CEO John Hanke was enjoying a tranquil walk through a bamboo forest near Kyoto with his son. When he got back, it was all hands on deck: Building on a platform Niantic had developed for its previous game, Ingress, Pokémon Go was a runaway success story, earning $100 million dollars…
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#202 Chairman of Qualcomm, Mark McLaughlin: The Right Pitch
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Guest: Mark McLaughlin, chairman of the board at Qualcomm When he was 24, Mark McLaughlin thought his career was over. Since childhood, he had dreamed of attending West Point and joining the Army, but a helicopter crash left him unable to serve, with a medical discharge. However, the crash also let him stay closer to his then-girlfriend Karen. They…
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#201 CEO Lyft, David Risher: The Ride
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Guest: David Risher, CEO of Lyft David Risher can measure his career in phone calls, from the one that introduced him to Jeff Bezos in 1995, to the call from the Lyft board in 2023, asking him to vie for the CEO job. But initially, he believed his life’s legacy might be the nonprofit Worldreader, which has brought books to more than 22 million read…
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#200 CEO and Co-Founder Together AI, Vipul Ved Prakash w/ Bucky Moore: Super Cycle
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Guests: Vipul Ved Prakash, CEO and co-founder of Together AI; and Bucky Moore, partner at Kleiner Perkins No one knows for sure whether the future of AI will be driven more by research labs and AI-native companies, or by enterprises applying the technology to their own data sets. But one thing is for sure, says Together AI CEO and co-founder Vipul …
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#199 CEO & Co-Founder Klaviyo, Andrew Bialecki: High Slope
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Guest: Andrew Bialecki, CEO of Klaviyo Whenever the marketing platform Klaviyo is hiring, says CEO Andrew Bialecki, “we sort of don't care so much what skills you have.” Instead, the company looks for “high slope” individuals who are curious and able to continually learn new things. “A big turnoff for me is [when] somebody says, ‘Oh, well, I was ne…
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#198 CEO and Co-Founder Wayfair, Niraj Shah: Homeward
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Guest: Niraj Shah, CEO and co-founder of Wayfair Wayfair CEO Niraj Shah caught the entrepreneurship bug in his mid-20s, when he and his longtime co-founder Steve Conine sold their first company just a few years out of college. They left the acquirer and independently realized “we absolutely wanted to start something else,” Niraj recalls. “Once you’…
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#197 CEO, Chairman & Founder Zscaler, Jay Chaudhry: No Attachment
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Guest: Jay Chaudhry, CEO, chairman, and founder of Zscaler Much of the media coverage of Zscaler CEO Jay Chaudhry is quick to identify him as the wealthiest Indian-American person, with a net worth of $10.8 billion. But to hear Jay himself tell it, that number has never been very important to him: “My family had no money,” he says of his childhood …
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#196 CEO and Co-Founder Braze, Bill Magnuson: Principles of Change
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Guest: Bill Magnuson, CEO and co-founder of Braze The deployment of smartphones around the world was more impactful than any other technology to date, says Braze CEO Bill Magnuson — and that has big implications for emerging fields like generative AI. “If we get to the point where they [LLMs] really can be useful, human-like companions ... they wil…
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#195 CEO Salesforce AI, Clara Shih: Above the Clouds
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Guest: Clara Shih, CEO of Salesforce AI In 2020, Clara Shih quit Hearsay, the company she founded and ran for 11 years; in hindsight, she says “I probably should have quit a little bit sooner.” But at the time, she cared a lot — too much — about what everyone else thought. “There's a lot of guilt around leaving initially and feeling bad for feeling…
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#194 CEO and Founder Sunshine, Marissa Mayer: Innovative Instincts
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Guest: Marissa Mayer, CEO and Founder of Sunshine and former CEO of Yahoo When Marissa Mayer was first hired as the CEO of Yahoo, the company had lost nearly a quarter of its workforce in the preceding six months. Early on, she was chatting with employees in the cafeteria and one of them got her attention by smacking her tray. “Is it go time?” he a…
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#193 Former CEO Nextdoor, Sarah Friar: Four Circles
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Guest: Sarah Friar, former CEO of Nextdoor Sarah Friar has worked with some of the top leaders in Silicon Valley, including Salesforce CEO Marc Benioff, Walmart CEO Doug McMillon, Block CEO Jack Dorsey, and most recently Nextdoor founder Nirav Tolia, who just replaced her as CEO in May. And one of the things that sets top performers apart from the …
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#192 CTO and Co-Founder Discord, Stanislav Vishnevskiy: Ship It
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Guest: Stanislav Vishnevskiy, CTO and co-founder of Discord For many years, the conventional wisdom was the gaming was not social because it was something you usually did at home. “But people who play games are often the most social,” says Discord CTO Stanislav Vishnevskiy. “They’re spending 10, 20 hours with other people online, hanging out.” As a…
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#191 CEO and Co-Founder Intercom, Eoghan McCabe: Second Beginning
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Guest: Eoghan McCabe, CEO, Chairman, and Co-Founder of Intercom “We are not ready for the degree to which our world is going to change,” says Intercom CEO Eoghan McCabe, “in insane and incredible ways.” When he co-founded the company in 2011, the Irish-born entrepreneur was making it easier for companies to offer human customer service to their cus…
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#190 Co-Founder Cost Plus Drugs, Mark Cuban: Mavs to Meds
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Guest: Mark Cuban, co-founder of Cost Plus Drugs and costar, Shark Tank “I just love to compete,” says Mark Cuban. “And the day I stop is the day I’m dead.” Previously the co-founder of MicroSolutions and Broadcast.com, Cuban is probably best known to the public today for competing with the likes of Daymond John and Barbara Corcoran on the reality …
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#189 Co-Founder Watershed, Taylor Francis: Worthy Missions
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Guest: Taylor Francis, co-founder of Watershed One day when he was 13, Taylor Francis walked out of the movie theater, and he was pissed off. He had just seen Al Gore’s documentary An Inconvenient Truth and internalized a “generational call to arms, that my parents had screwed our generation” by causing the climate crisis, he says. 14 years later, …
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#188 CEO and Co-Founder Synthesia, Victor Riparbelli w/ Josh Coyne: Gorilla in the Room
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Guests: Victor Riparbelli, CEO and co-founder of Synthesia; and Josh Coyne, partner at Kleiner Perkins When Victor Riparbelli wants to learn something, he’ll start with a YouTube video or a podcast: “I maybe buy the book on Amazon as like the fifth step,” the Synthesia CEO says. His company is trying to change the text-first (or text-only) way info…
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#187 President & COO of AG1, Kat Cole: Wings to Supplements
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Guest: Kat Cole, COO of Athletic Greens You can’t make smart decisions if you don’t know the truth — the “true truth,” as Athletic Greens COO Kat Cole puts it. “As you get bigger and you have success, innovator’s dilemma, you end up talking to yourself instead of really being rooted in what’s going on.” That’s why she has embraced the anxiety of th…
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#186 COO Asana, Anne Raimondi: Recovering Perfectionist
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Guest: Anne Raimondi, COO and Head of Business at Asana Asana COO Anne Raimondi feels pressure to perform in her job “every day, all the time.” But that pressure doesn’t come from her fellow executives; she imposes it on herself, trying to think carefully about how much each of her decisions will impact her team. “I have a lot of privilege and choi…
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#185 CEO and Founder Netskope, Sanjay Beri: The Trenches
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Guest: Sanjay Beri, CEO and Founder of Netskope “You can be waiting your whole life to do something, and then your life’s over,” says Sanjay Beri. After nine years at Juniper Networks, he left his comfortable job, moved his family to a house with a pricier mortgage, and launched the cloud security firm Netskope. His entrepreneurial story would make…
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#184 Former CEO and Co-Founder Sun, Scott McNealy: In the Piñata
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Guest: Scott McNealy, former CEO and co-founder of Sun Microsystems & co-founder of Curriki Scott McNealy never wanted to be CEO of Sun, and in his 22-year tenure before selling to Oracle, he knows there were times he failed to execute, or to rein in the once-iconic Silicon Valley firm’s worst impulses. But like his pro golfer son, Maverick, Scott …
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#183 CEO and Co-Founder Harness, Jyoti Bansal: Three-Layered Cake
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Guest: Jyoti Bansal, CEO and co-founder of Harness Cisco bought Jyoti Bansal’s first company AppDynamics for $3.7 billion, making him a very wealthy man. But after two African safaris, a week of Michelin-starred meals in Tokyo, and more adventures all around the world, he realized that spending his money didn’t truly make him happy. After some soul…
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#182 CEO and Co-Founder Cribl, Clint Sharp: Finding Traction
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Guest: Clint Sharp, CEO and co-founder of Cribl New employees are joining the remote data platform Cribl every week, and as the staff grows, CEO Clint Sharp has noticed a problem: He can’t file a bug report without a lot of caveats. When there were a handful of users, no one would bat an eye at the CEO posting a bug on Slack, but now he has had to …
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#181 CEO Transcarent, Glen Tullman: Problem Solving
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Guest: Glen Tullman, CEO of Transcarent Before he was CEO of Transcarent, Glen Tullman presided over the biggest digital health merger of all time: His previous company Livongo was acquired in 2020 by Teledoc for $18.5 billion. Over his decades of experience in health tech, he has developed saying: Hire low, fire high. When one of his friends was o…
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#180 CEO and Co-Founder Verkada, Filip Kaliszan: Outlier
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Guest: Filip Kaliszan, CEO and co-founder of Verkada Great founders try to grow personally at least as fast as their companies do — but sometimes, says Verkada CEO Filip Kaliszan, that’s just not possible. By the time the company had about 200 employees, he says, “the scale of the business and the rate of the growth of the business ... outpaced my …
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#179 CEO and Co-Founder Zapier, Wade Foster: Missouri’s Connector
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Guest: Wade Foster, CEO and co-founder of Zapier When Wade Foster and his co-founders launched Zapier, he was 24, and doubted himself constantly. He consulted mentors like Paul Graham and Jay Simons, studied entrepreneurs like Jeff Bezos and Steve Jobs, and also took inspiration from an unlikely source: Actor and martial artist Bruce Lee. “[He] had…
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#178 Author of “Radical Candor,” Kim Scott: Uncommon Sense
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Guest: Kim Scott, author of Radical Candor: Be a Kickass Boss Without Losing Your Humanity and Radical Respect: How To Work Together Better After her first management book Radical Candor became a worldwide bestseller, Kim Scott found herself giving talks to all kinds of companies about how they could apply her advice and build a stronger, kinder cu…
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#177 President and Co-Founder Anthropic, Daniela Amodei: AI Hurricane
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Guest: Daniela Amodei, President and co-founder of Anthropic With a reported valuation of as much as $18 billion, Anthropic has the resources to be one of the dominant AI companies in Silicon Valley; however, it was conceived as a public benefit corporation and always tries to strike a balance between hypergrowth and responsibility. Anthropic’s fla…
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#176 CEO MongoDB, Dev Ittycheria: Edge
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Guest: Dev Ittycheria, CEO and President of MongoDB When you think about who you were and the decisions you made two, or four, or eight years ago ... how do you feel? Dev Ittycheria, the President and CEO of MongoDB, says he’s embarrassed about certain things he did — and that’s a good thing. “If you’re not [embarrassed], that means you’re not real…
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#175 CEO Snowflake, Frank Slootman: Amped
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Guest: Frank Slootman, CEO and Chairman of Snowflake and author of Amp It Up Snowflake CEO Frank Slootman doesn’t recall a time in his childhood where new achievements were celebrated — because, according to his father, putting everything into your work and “leaving it all on the field” was the only choice. “The problem with it,” Frank says, is tha…
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#174 CEO and Co-Founder Ginkgo Bioworks, Jason Kelly: Life Finds a Way
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Guest: Jason Kelly, CEO and co-founder of Ginkgo Bioworks Almost everyone in the second generation of biotechnology entrepreneurs, says Ginkgo Bioworks CEO Jason Kelly, works in that field because of one thing: Jurassic Park. The Michael Crichton novel-turned-Steven Spielberg movie captured both the wonder and beauty of bioengineering, and the chal…
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#173 Author of “The Qualified Sales Leader,” John McMahon: The Five-Time CRO
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Guest: John McMahon, author of The Qualified Sales Leader: Proven Lessons from a Five Time CRO A hell of a lot of people work in sales. But until recently, says five-time CRO and The Qualified Sales Leader author John McMahon, it was rare for colleges and universities to offer a sales degree. Salespeople had to learn on the job from experienced coa…
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#172 Professor at UPenn & Author, Angela Duckworth: Grit
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Guest: Angela Duckworth, professor at the University of Pennsylvania and author of Grit: The Power of Passion and Perseverance “There’s got to be a cost” when you pursue your passions, says University of Pennsylvania professor Angela Duckworth; in fact, the word “passion” comes from the Latin word for “suffering.” But that doesn’t mean that gritty …
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#171 Founder and Former CEO Drift, David Cancel: Never Trapped
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Guest: David Cancel, founder and former CEO of Drift; founder of Rey After HubSpot acquired his company Performable in 2011, David Cancel became his acquirer’s Chief Product Officer — and didn’t give any thought to how long he’d be in that role. When he started eyeing the exit a few years later, he was told that wasn’t an option: HubSpot had alread…
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#170 Chairman of Kleiner Perkins, John Doerr: Getting Into Trouble with Disruptors (Encore)
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Guest: John Doerr, chairman of Kleiner Perkins After Kleiner Perkins chairman John Doerr first invested in Google — $12.8 million for 13 percent of the company — he told co-founders Larry Page and Sergey Brin that they needed to hire a CEO to help them build the business. After they took meetings with a variety of successful tech execs, they came b…
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#169 CEO and Founder Cato Networks, Shlomo Kramer: The Burden of Persona
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Guest: Shlomo Kramer, founder and CEO of Cato Networks Shlomo Kramer has founded three companies to date — Check Point, Imperva, and most recently Cato Networks — and taken the first two public, with plans to do the same with Cato. By any measure, he is a successful entrepreneur, but he defines “success” as “a burden you need to shake off every day…
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#168 CEO and Founder Glean, Arvind Jain w/ Mamoon Hamid: New Playbook
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Guest: Arvind Jain, Founder and CEO of Glean, and Mamoon Hamid, partner at Kleiner Perkins “I’m an engineer, so I have doubts about everything,” says Glean founder and CEO Arvind Jain. Well ... almost everything. Since launching Glean in 2019, he has held to the belief that “all of us are going to have really powerful AI assistants” in the future. …
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#167 CEO StockX, Scott Cutler: Detroit’s First Unicorn
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Guest: Scott Cutler, CEO of StockX What’s the point of climbing a mountain, or heli-skiing in the Swiss Alps, or biking in the Tour de France? StockX CEO Scott Cutler has done all three, and for him, the answer is momentary perspective. “When you’re descending, you don’t see, but you know what is above,” he says. “You have experienced and have seen…
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#166 Executive Chairman and Former CEO Attentive, Brian Long: Problem Hunting
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Guest: Brian Long, former CEO of Attentive and author of Problem Hunting: The Tech Startup Textbook Brian Long’s most recent company, Attentive, was originally designed to help clients communicate with their distributed workforce — but about six months in, he and his co-founder realized that that business would not grow as quickly as they had hoped…
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#165 Former CEO and Co-Founder of Zillow, Spencer Rascoff: Real Estate Voyeurism
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Guest: Spencer Rascoff, co-founder and former CEO of Zillow + co-founder and general partner at 75 & Sunny When terrorists attacked the US on 9/11, Hotwire co-founder Spencer Rascoff and his colleagues had to put their own trauma aside and “spring into action” — the travel site had sold tens of millions of dollars’ worth of non-refundable flights a…
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#164 CEO and Co-Founder Duolingo, Luis von Ahn: "The Pitch Was Never Pittsburgh"
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Guest: Luis von Ahn, CEO and co-founder of Duolingo When Luis von Ahn wanted to go to college in the United States, he had to take a standardized test called the TOEFL, or Test of English as a Foreign Language. But there was nowhere in his home country of Guatemala that could accommodate another test-taker, so he flew to war-torn El Salvador, just …
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#163 CEO Bill, René Lacerte: Hourglass Leadership
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Guest: René Lacerte, CEO of Bill René Lacerte co-founded the online payroll firm PayCycle in 1999, and led it for six years until he was asked by the board to step down. Today, with 17 years as the CEO of Bill under his belt, he’s able to look back on that time with clearer eyes. “The title on my card is ‘CEO and Founder,’” he says. “At Paycycle, i…
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#162 CEO and Co-Founder Rippling, Parker Conrad w/ Mamoon Hamid: Compounding
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Guests: Parker Conrad, CEO of Rippling, and Mamoon Hamid, partner at Kleiner Perkins How long did it take for Parker Conrad to stop wanting revenge? “I’ll let you know when it switches over,” the Rippling CEO and co-founder jokes. He resigned from his last company, the buzzy HR unicorn Zenefits, in 2016 and then quickly realized that the company’s …
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#161 Founder and EVP of Oracle NetSuite, Evan Goldberg: Endless Possibilities
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Guest: Evan Goldberg, founder and EVP of Oracle Netsuite In the late 1980s and early 1990s, Evan Goldberg working at Oracle, helping to bring its database software to the Mac. He left in 1995 because “I always wanted to do my own thing” and — with Larry Ellison’s support — launched his first startup, Embed. When it failed, he told Larry that he wan…
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#160 CEO Grammarly, Rahul Roy-Chowdhury: Better, Not More
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Guest: Rahul Roy-Chowdhury, CEO of Grammarly Driven by generative tools like ChatGPT, artificial intelligence is hot — but Grammarly CEO Rahul Roy-Chowdhury wishes that “AI” stood for something else: “Augmented Intelligence.” A longtime Googler and lifelong believer in using technology to make peoples’ lives better at scale, Roy-Chowdhury now leads…
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#159 CEO 1Password, Jeff Shiner: Chief Eliminator of Obstacles
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Guest: Jeff Shiner, CEO of 1Password Far from the Silicon Valley bubble, in Waterloo, Ontario, they try to do things a bit differently, says 1Password CEO Jeff Shiner. “Our mantra has been, build a good product, support the heck out of your customers,” he says. Some businesses and VCs in the Valley, he argues, don’t draw enough of a distinction bet…
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#158 CRO Anduril Industries, Matt Steckman: On Defense
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Guest: Matt Steckman, CRO of Anduril Industries Walk into one of Anduril Industries’ offices and it might take a minute for you to realize: This is a defense contractor. “It feels like a tech company, stylistically,” says CRO Matt Steckman, “because we know we have to recruit the best software talent in the world.” Matt says the executive team spen…
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#157 CEO Udemy, Greg Brown: The Plunge
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Guest: Greg Brown, CEO of Udemy Every night before he goes to bed, Greg Brown makes a to-do list. He has to because, as the CEO of the online learning platform Udemy, setting his priorities helps ensure that he makes the most of the scarce time on his calendar. “If I’m meeting with employees, what’s the message I want them to walk away with?” he as…
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#156 CRO Snowflake, Chris Degnan: Part 2
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Guest: Chris Degnan, CRO of Snowflake Chris Degnan was a teenager when his world got turned upside-down: His stockbroker father was revealed to be a serial liar & fraudster and was sent to prison; the wealth he thought his family had evaporated; and their house was foreclosed on by the IRS. The traumatic experience gave him both an “insane drive” a…
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