Leveling up JavaScript with Deno 2 (Interview)

The Changelog: Software Development, Open Source

Jerod is joined by Ryan Dahl to discuss his second take on leveling up JavaScript developers all around the world. Jerod asks Ryan why not try to fix or fork Node instead of starting fresh, how Deno (the open source project) can avoid the all too common rug pull (not cool) scenario, what’s new in Deno 2 & their pragmatic decision to support npm, they talk JSR, they talk Deno KV & SQLite, they even talk about Ryan’s open letter to Oracle in an attempt to free the unused “JavaScript” trademark from the giant’s clutches.

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Show Notes:

• Node.js: The Documentary - YouTube
• From Node.js to Deno: How It All Began - YouTube
• 10 Things I Regret About Node.js - YouTube
• JSR: the JavaScript Registry
• rusty_v8: Rust bindings for the V8 JavaScript engine
• JavaScript™ (Dear Oracle)

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1. This is The Changelog (00:00:00)

2. Sponsor: Assembly AI (00:01:34)

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3. Start the show! (00:03:56)

4. Surprise celebrity (00:04:16)

5. Deno 2 RC (00:05:12)

6. Deno regrets (00:06:21)

7. Why not fix Node? (00:12:18)

8. Deno as a business (00:17:35)

9. 'No rug pull' clause (00:20:44)

10. Sponsor: Socket (00:25:00)

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11. Sponsor: Supabase (00:28:24)

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12. Deno 2, what's new? (00:31:12)

13. JSR: the JavaScript Registry (00:34:10)

https://jsr.io

14. JSR for authors (00:36:57)

15. JSR for end users (00:39:16)

16. WE'LL DO IT LIVE! (00:41:17)

17. Sponsor: Speakeasy (00:45:15)

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18. A super huge lift (00:46:08)

19. A pragmatic decision (00:47:21)

20. An exciting architecture (00:47:56)

21. Serverless & WinterCG (00:51:27)

22. The future of Deno KV (00:52:35)

23. Embedding SQLite (00:55:58)

24. In the works (00:57:42)

25. Ry in/out of the weeds (00:59:19)

26. Reorg considerations (01:01:30)

27. Startup surprises (01:02:42)

28. Dear Oracle (01:05:01)

https://javascript.tm/

29. Closing time (01:12:04)

30. Coming up next (01:12:29)