Leading leaders who lead engineers (remastered) (Interview)

The Changelog: Software Development, Open Source

This week we’re bringing you a remaster of our epic 2021interview with Lara Hogan – author of Resilient Management and management coach / trainer for the tech industry.

The majority of our conversation focuses on the four primary hats leaders and managers end up wearing; mentoring, coaching, sponsoring, and delivering feedback. We also talk about knowing when you’re ready to lead, empathy and compassion, and learning to lead.

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Sponsors:

• Heroku – The Next Generation of Heroku “Fir” is coming soon — Fir is built on a foundation of cloud native technologies and open source standards, ensuring portability, interoperability, and a vibrant ecosystem for your applications. Cloud Native for everyone, for the next decade and beyond.
• Depot – Build faster. Waste less time. Accelerate Docker image builds, and GitHub Actions workflows. Easily integrate with your existing CI provider and dev workflows to save hours of build time.
• Retool – The low-code platform for developers to build internal tools — Some of the best teams out there trust Retool…Brex, Coinbase, Plaid, Doordash, LegalGenius, Amazon, Allbirds, Peloton, and so many more – the developers at these teams trust Retool as the platform to build their internal tools. Try it free at retool.com/changelog

Featuring:

• Lara Hogan – Website, GitHub, LinkedIn, X
• Adam Stacoviak – Website, GitHub, LinkedIn, Mastodon, X
• Jerod Santo – GitHub, LinkedIn, Mastodon, X

Show Notes:

• An excerpt from Resilient Management on A List Apart
• Paloma Medina
• Core Needs: BICEPS
• Lara’s book
• The Manager’s Path: A Guide for Tech Leaders Navigating Growth and Change
• Your brain on progress – Increment
• Voltron!
• I’m a cog
• The Changelog #342: From zero to thought leader in 6 months with Emma Bostian
• Lara Hogan on mentorship and sponsorship
• What does sponsorship look like?
• Linchpin from Seth Godin

Something missing or broken? PRs welcome!

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1. Welcome to The Changelog (00:00:00)

2. Sponsor: Heroku (00:01:12)

https://www.heroku.com/changelogpodcast

3. Start the show! (00:03:55)

4. Mentoring vs sponsoring (00:05:17)

5. 100% sponsorship (00:08:14)

6. Receiving sponsorship (00:10:33)

7. More connection (00:12:01)

8. How Lara learned this stuff (00:13:04)

9. Lending support (00:15:40)

10. Shadowing (00:17:43)

11. Our default approach (00:20:18)

12. Managing vs leading (00:20:47)

13. Sponsor: Depot (00:26:43)

https://depot.dev

14. The four hats (00:29:03)

15. Camping out in coaching (00:31:58)

16. What are you optimizing for? (00:34:16)

17. What does success look like? (00:35:40)

18. What's the worst that could happen? (00:36:22)

19. On coaching athletes (00:36:55)

20. Giving good feedback (00:38:34)

21. How Lara learned this stuff (remastered) (00:43:50)

22. Book recommendations (00:46:12)

23. Sponsor: Retool (00:49:28)

https://retool.com/changelog

24. Engineer to manager (00:52:25)

25. Try it on (00:55:42)

26. Do engineers make good managers? (00:58:21)

27. Celebrate the wins (00:59:38)

28. Lara stories (01:01:41)

29. Manager Voltron (01:04:22)

30. Manager framework (01:06:00)

31. Cogs vs lynch pins (01:08:15)

32. Wrapping up (01:11:40)

33. Closing thoughts (01:12:29)