Elasticsearch is open source, again (Interview)

The Changelog: Software Development, Open Source

Shay Banon, the creator of Elasticsearch, joins us to discuss pulling off a reverse rug pull. Yes, Elasticsearch is open source, again! We discuss the complexities surrounding open source licensing and what made Elastic change their license, the implications of trademark law, the personal and business impact of moving away from open source, and ultimately what made them hit rewind and return to open source.

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• Jerod Santo – GitHub, LinkedIn, Mastodon, X

Show Notes:

• Elasticsearch Is Open Source. Again!
• Changelog Interviews #429: Community perspectives on Elastic vs AWS
• Why we had to change Elastic licensing
• Changelog Interviews #578: What exactly is Open Source AI?
• Drafts of the Open Source AI Definition
• Llama.com
• “Llama the leading open source model family”

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1. This week on The Changelog (00:00:00)

2. Sponsor: Fly.io (00:01:33)

https://fly.io/

3. Start the show! (00:04:19)

4. The relicense (00:05:53)

5. License vs Trademark (00:12:10)

6. What did you lose? (00:18:44)

7. Sponsor: Speakeasy (00:24:15)

https://speakeasy.com/

8. Are rug pulls worth it? (00:25:08)

9. Change the open source definition? (00:29:11)

10. Could defining open source AI undermine OSI? (00:32:21)

11. Only slightly dead (00:36:14)

12. Sponsor: AssemblyAI (00:44:11)

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13. Sponsor: Wix Studio (00:46:28)

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14. The community's reception of this news (00:47:23)

15. Digging into the Shay's blog post (00:53:59)

16. Ode to Kendrick Lamar (00:54:46)

17. Search is up for grabs again (00:59:37)

18. We're done. (01:05:22)

19. Closing thoughts and stuff (01:05:34)

20. BONUS!! (for all) (01:07:52)