The Steady Home

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This is Mary Lewis at A Tiny Homestead. The podcast comprised entirely of conversations with homesteaders, cottage food producers, and crafters. If you're enjoying this podcast, please like, subscribe, share it with a friend, or leave a comment. Thank you. Today I'm talking with Lexi Maitland, and I don't really have a business name for you. So good morning, Lexi, how are you? Hey, Mary, I'm good. And our business is The Steady Home, but how are you? The Steady Home, yes. I think that's how I found you, but I completely forgot.

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No, that's okay. I'm well. It is not stiflingly, miserably humid and hot here today. So... Oh, I love that. I love that. Now, where are you, Barry? Minnesota. In what part of the country? Minnesota. Nice. Yeah, it's like 90, I think 93 here today. So it's a little toasty on my end. And you're in Virginia? I am. Just south of Richmond and Dimwitty. Okay. Yes. All right. So before we get into what you do...

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I have a little minor self-promotion thing to say. Yesterday was the one-year anniversary of my podcast. What? I'm so excited for you. I saw it on your Facebook yesterday. I was like, oh my gosh, that's so exciting. Yeah. And I just wanted to thank all my guests. I'm upset. I'm like, I'm shook up here. All my guests and all my listeners. Because when I started this, I didn't think it was going to do.

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anything at all. So one year is a big deal. It's a massive deal, Mary. Your discipline through your podcast. I mean, you do multiple a week. I listened to a podcast not long ago and you said that you did nine interviews within a week. So I just want to congratulate you because it is not easy doing a podcast by itself, but your discipline and the community that you've created within your podcast has been amazing. I've loved listening to you.

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Well, thank you. And if I didn't love it so much, I wouldn't be doing it. Well, you do a great job. I love it. Thank you. I didn't realize I was going to tear up, but boy, what a year it's been. Yes. Take that moment for you. That's amazing. So, that's my teary moment for the day, I guess. So, anyway, thank you everybody for supporting me. And so, tell me about the study home, Lexi. Tell me all about you. Sure.

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a little bit about me. I grew up on a little over a hundred acre farm most of my life throughout my whole childhood and when I hit adulthood I had I thought I had been sheltered and so I thought maybe the city offered more to life and so I shifted to a smaller city and then I quickly came back to my to my roots and so how you found me I think was through

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the Facebook group that I created. And so I'll get into a little bit about that. But how I started homesteading was my daughter, personally, I mean, I grew up on a farm, but personally started homesteading within my own home and cultivating that throughout my family was my daughter was born in 2021. And after the massive push for the COVID Vax and the boosters, I started doing my own research and questioning what feels like everything.

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So when I started, I started a little Facebook group in November of 2023 to help others find a community of information and to feel safe in asking some of those difficult questions specifically for beginners. And since I started the group the end of last year, we've grown to over 97,000 in the group and our active newsletter subscribers reached a little over 40,000 now. So we have a total of 60 but active are right at 40,000.

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Um, so we've, we've done some, a lot in a short timeframe and I feel like it's been a little overwhelming. So I understand celebrating your first year. There's so the, the grind and the hustle that first year is, is, um, you know, some of the best work I believe through that discipline. So again, hats off to you. Um, so since I started the group, um, yeah, we've, we've

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We've done a lot. And so we've done, we've created like homestead workshops, we've created a membership, we have, you know, the newsletter and now, you know, we're inviting sponsors to sponsor the newsletter that are aligned with our audience. We've done a membership, we've started a little blog on Pinterest and yeah, it's been, it's been quite a year. So that's kind of like a gist and you know, what, what we're up to within this.

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quote unquote steady home. It feels kind of cliche to say it publicly, but I really wanted to create more sustainability within our home and we ran a solar company for a little over five years. And so we really were immersed into sustainability before we were immersed into homesteading. So now we've got the basic homestead animals, the chickens, the goats, canning and.

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growing our little raised gardens and now we're getting ready to the big dogs now. So we're pretty excited. And it was just a, it was a lonely journey when I first started. So I didn't want that for anybody else. And so that's why I created the Steady Home and the little Facebook group and it's just grown immensely. You got some big numbers going on there, ma'am. Yeah, it's been quite a, it was wild.

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to be honest with you because I had only started this group in Virginia. And I think because of the beginning of the group, it says getting started, homesteading and natural living. I think a lot of people, at least towards the end of the year and the beginning of this year, started growing within the nation. And so what was meant for me to just find my people in Virginia, it quickly grew to nationwide. So we're looking to see how.

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We can kind of connect everybody. So right now we have within the Facebook group, we have all the states, all 50 states. And you can go in there and introduce yourself, figure out who within the chats, I'm sorry, within the chats, you can go in there and say, I'm from Dimwitty, Virginia, and who's around me? And they'll shout out and say.

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I'm in Prince George, I'm in Chester, and everybody kind of gets excited because you start finding all of the people that are also on that same journey of getting started within homesteading and natural living. And so it's been amazing. I absolutely love this journey. You've created a network so that the tribe can find its people. Yes. Yes, I have. Good job. You're a connector. That kind of feels...

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very fitting. That feels fitting for me. I found that I've really enjoyed operations within business and, you know, helping people kind of work up the hierarchy ladder and, you know, who they would manage well and looking at their skill set. And so this just kind of feels like my skill set is, I just like to connect things, connect the dots. Yeah, and I'm a systems girl. I really like having a system for things.

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Yeah, which is real hard when my husband has ADD and wouldn't know a system if it bit him on the butt. So, so yeah, it's a part of the reason I started the podcast is because it's mine. It's the only thing that's mine. I have a system. I know how it works. I work the system. This system works. Yeah, I get it. And you you partner pretty well too. And just finding your network for your podcast host, you know, who you want to host with and making sure that they're aligned, they're aligned

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your goal as well. So Mary, if you don't, I know you typically ask the questions, but I have a question for you if that's okay. That's totally fine, I think. So what is your mission with the podcast? Like what is the origin story of A Tiny Homestead and what is your long-term vision for A Tiny Homestead? What would you like to see? Well I've told the story a couple of times, but I'll tell you real quick. My son was going

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four kids. He was going to be leaving in September last year and he was going to go stay with his brother for a while, which is totally fine. They're really good friends. It was just going to be me and my husband. I was like, I need a project because otherwise I'm going to go through that empty nest thing hard and that's going to suck. I need a new baby. I had really been wanting to do something that actually used my talents. I was like,

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And I wanted to do a podcast, but I don't know what it is. And I talked with my husband about it, and he's like, just keep throwing ideas at me. One of them will stick. And after a month or two, I was like, how about interviewing people who are doing homesteading, cottage food producing, and crafting, because that's what we're both into, and other people would learn from it, and it would be really fun, and I wouldn't get bored with it. And he was like, yes, do that.

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Oh my goodness. That was so perfectly aligned for you guys. So that's how it started. And then my son actually moved back two months after he moved out. And I've told this story already, too, but I'll tell it again. He was like, I have a doctor's appointment. Can you take me? And I had told him when he got back that you need to put stuff on the calendar because I have a calendar now that is booked. It's all it. And.

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I was like, I have an interview at that time. And he was like, can you reschedule it? And I said, yes, but this is why we need to put things on the calendar. And he has since he's let me know every time when he has something going on that he needs a ride to. Very long story on why he can't drive right now. He has a thing going on that he has no control over and I can't talk about it. I'm not allowed to. So it's.

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He's home living with us for very, very good reasons. There's nothing bad that he's done. So the long-term plan, I don't know, until I am bored of talking with people who are brilliant and inventive and creative and geniuses. Do you ever get bored of that, ever? Not really, no. And I mean, the long, long-term plan is that it brings in some supplemental income to put toward the homestead here.

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Yes. Oh, that's an amazing vision. I love that. Yes. And I actually had my first sponsor two Mondays ago, trial sponsorship two Mondays ago for two weeks. And I just monetized it that same day. So I had my first sponsor and monetized it in under a year. Oh, my goodness. That's an amazing milestone, Mary. That was the goal for the first year and I didn't think I'd hit it. So Oh, gosh.

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Yeah, you hung on to that vision. Even with a little bit of self-doubt, you did amazing. That's so exciting. I figured if I didn't think I would make it, I would be so excited if I did, and I wouldn't be disappointed if I didn't, so. I get it. There's pros and cons. But also, the other thing I wanted the podcast to do is get the word out about all of you guys doing the things you're doing. Because it's really hard to market if you're not a marketer. It is.

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It is. Yeah, that's something that I've learned to grow as, especially, you know, running a solar company for the last five years. We really adjusted to, you know, the different marketing strategies on the different platforms, having the different channels and what speaks to this person doesn't speak to that person. And so it's always interesting to test, you know, different ways of the delivery channel and then, you know, what makes people bite.

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Um, and so I've, I've really loved that part of the life that we've created is, you know, learning the different styles of personality within the people too, because, you know, you'll have a voice for people that I won't ever have a voice for. And you know, my channel is not, is not a podcast. And so the people that you reach in collaboration with, you know, those two different audiences is

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is a very strategic way for you to grow your podcast. So that's incredible, Mary, I love that. So that's the shorter version. The short version is I needed a hobby, so I picked one up. That's the simple version. Yeah. That's amazing. So what do you guys do exactly? Sure. So when I started the Facebook group, I really wanted to just create a community where people feel safe in asking the questions.

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It took me personally two years to really just understand the basics of homesteading and natural living. A ton of trial and error, hours of research, reading through tons of blogs on Pinterest and watching the YouTube videos to learn what I know today and picking my grandparents' brain too. I still feel like I know very little about homesteading if I'm being completely honest.

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people can jump in and ask the questions that they think are silly. I think that there's a big push since the keyword, I'm sorry, the C word, to take back some of the control and question everything. And if there is one thing I've learned, it's if I'm interested in something someone else is too. And so that I trust I'll personally pioneer the path to learning and then educating as my give back for my active service. So...

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I have a, I created my mission last month through this workshop that I was doing. And my mission is to educate sustainability through homesteading and cultivate an abundant mindset. I think a lot of times in homesteading, it can be perceived as limited or minimalist or frugal. And the sub effects could impact our own mindset and that we have a limited resources or a limited supply because it's what we've created off of our.

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our own land. So my goal is just to cultivate the overflow mindset and the abundance mindset. So that way there's, you know, always more within their own little family, because I think a lot of the people that I touch are the either the homemakers or the people that are, you know, working the nine to five job want to control some of the things that are going into their children's bodies, their own bodies.

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what the better goal of the government is. And so just having like more more control within their own home and what goes on for their children. So we have with our membership, we have we like to just turn down the noise of the Internet and turn up their action into Homestead and Natural Living. And so we have tutorials on all things Homestead based on.

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research that we've done. We've cultivated many, many different blogs that we found extremely helpful through the two-year journey that I have and so that I did within my first two years. And so just kind of finding those resources that really impacted my journey that I felt were extremely educational. So we've condensed the amount of information that a lot of people can just go on Pinterest and search for. Within our

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newsletter, we do three personalized emails. So we have like a DIY, DIY email and educational email and then homemade recipes. Those are the three dedicated emails that they get within the membership. And then we also do giveaways. And then they have access to pre-launch within the merch because we have like a small e-comm store. And

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Let's see, I'm trying to think of what else. They get discounts on our website. They get discounts with our partner brands. One of the things that we are working on is for the beginner homesteads. They don't, homesteaders, they don't have a lot of assets on their homestead, but we still want to ensure what they do have. We have, within our group, we have beginner homesteads, stutters, intermediate homesteaders, and advanced homesteaders. And so one of the things that

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we've seen within our community is that somebody's homestead caught on fire and they lost so much equipment and animals in their barns. And so one of the things that I really touched my heart is that the community themselves chipped in to get them back on their feet, get them back. And they were living off of their land. They didn't have full-time jobs. Their entire living was based on their own homestead. And so when that happened, they felt like...

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they went to nothing. And so when I saw that, I was like, Oh my gosh, I wonder if there is insurance that protects homesteaders for in an event for a fire. And luckily everybody was safe. Um, minus some of the, the barnyard animals, they, but there was nothing that I could find that really protected the smaller homesteaders. There were things for, you know, the larger farmers. And so that's one of the things that we're looking at.

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to turn our membership into an actual homestead association. So that way we can lend a helping hand in the event anything happened. They're also protected through the Homestead Association. So that's in the works that'll probably be live within the next 45 days. So that's been really interesting. So I've basically buckled down and just put my head down, figure out what people want. That's the most, that's the creative.

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Part of me that I absolutely love is just learning what other people are looking for. You can typically share what those journeys are based on what you've already been through. Because I was able to look at the last two years, all of my Pinterest, my massive Pinterest board, look at the things that I changed within our own home, I was able to create a community within my little network. Then I was like, well,

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Let's create a Facebook group because I'm sure there's more people out in Virginia that I don't know that I'd love to connect with. And so that was the, that was the idea. I think I created, I created the group back in November and then it caught wind November, December, and January. And in January is when we took it nationwide just for other people to find their people. Um, I figured I didn't.

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I don't want to be selfish and just kind of keep my little network. And so I just created a bunch of different chats for each state and so that way everybody could find their own. So it's been a blast. I absolutely loved it. It's had its challenges. Some people would be in the group and given false information.

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And so that's been really interesting. Just, I had to hire an admin just to accept the amount of group members that we received in a little over 10 months. Um, and so I had to hire an admin and I was like, okay, I'm, you know, I'm paying for this out of my pocket, which is fun, but it'd be really nice if, you know, we could just somehow offset some of the costs. And so that's why we started the membership, just so that way we could have, you know, I couldn't.

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hire somebody to write the newsletters and so that way I could focus on my full-time job of running another business. The entire idea was not to monetize the Facebook group. The entire idea was to just create friends, create a little network for myself. With every startup, there comes its challenges and there comes their delegation.

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So that's the idea of the membership. And we have a little over 300 people that are within the program currently. And we're consistently seeing growth every single day. So it's been awesome. Super cool. I love that. I love it. I love it when people are like, I'm gonna do this thing. And then it just keeps exponentially growing like a spider web, you know? It really has. I think the coolest part is just seeing it.

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the different levels of homesteading. It's like, we have, you know, people within the Facebook group that'll ask the most basic questions and you can tell that they just feel bad or they'll ask, you know, questions and be anonymous. And then you'll also have, you know, people that will talk about, you know, the insemination of different animals. And it's like, huh, I haven't gotten there yet. You know, there's levels to this game. But it's...

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It's really, really cool to see just how the community itself can be like help just has an active service to help. You know, I've been there, let me help you with that. You want to learn sourdough. Okay, first you need a starter. Here's how you start. Here's the, you know, portions. And so, just seeing the different people kind of jump in and be so resourceful within their own life and then want to give back to the people that are in the beginning stages has been.

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incredible. Yeah, the thing I've learned over the last year is that most people I've talked to, whether they're bakers or they're crafters or they're homestudders, they're all genuinely happy and willing to share help and information. And I love that because the world is so small, but so disconnected sometimes. It really can be. And I think the disconnection even

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has been a massive push for the last few years. I think that's what the pandemic did to a lot of people is kind of cut off the social and the bartering. And I'm seeing a lot of people go back to the bartering lifestyle. And that's been amazing too. I guess you can call her my mother-in-law. She's got chickens and they're producing eggs and she's so excited about it.

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And her neighbor across the street has like opened up a little farm stand for blackberries and blueberries. And she was like, Oh my gosh, I wonder if they would trade for my, my eggs for their blackberries and blueberries. And I was like, they absolutely will. Like you just have to, you have to make that connection. And so it's interesting to just see people be a little more hesitant to just going up to people and asking them, Hey, you know, would you be interested in, and maybe swap in or doing this service?

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Yeah, we've done quite a few within the last few months. We've provided sourdough starter to a couple hundred people within the group. We created a seed swaps chat within the group too. So people are swapping seeds. We did that in the spring and every morning we do a Bible devotion within the Facebook group. I'll go into the Bible app and

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read the devotion and copy and paste it into the Bible devotion app. And there's been, I think there's like over 3000 people in that, in that individual chat. And so that's been really cool to see too. So there's a lot in the works. I think people are really kind of going back to their roots. I think there's been so much more awareness that has peaked over the last few years. And I think it's.

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for the better, especially with, you know, the different bioengineered foods that are coming out, you know, genetically made eggs and things like that. So just people taking back that control and responsibility in their own life has been really awesome to see.

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They're all kind of winding down on giving us eggs and feeding chickens just to feed chickens is not the plan. And so over the winter, we're going to be buying eggs at the store. We haven't done that in four years. Oh my goodness. Are you considering getting chicks again or just... Next spring, yeah. Next spring. Gotcha. Yeah. We did a workshop not too long ago. One of the girls... One of the...

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group members named Caitlin did post a workshop on how to process a chicken. And so I'll have to send you that video because if, have you already, have you already or ever called a chicken before? Yes. Yes, we have. So this is new for you. Yeah, but it's good that you have that because a lot of people have never called any animals. So right. But we're going to take the healthiest chickens because there's still like four of them that are fat and sassy and look really healthy.

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and we're going to dispatch them and then we're going to roast them up in our roaster and make chicken stock and hand the chicken stock. Oh, that's so perfect. So they're not going to go to waste. No, no. And you could savor every single part, almost every single part. We have a friend and not too far, he's been an hour and a half away from us and him and his wife also process chickens and they do a big batch twice a year. I believe it's twice a year.

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I've bought quite a few chickens from them just to get away from the grocery store. And anyway, it was really crazy to see the difference in a chicken that was raised and processed on a local farm versus the store-bought chicken. I could not believe the difference in the taste. And it is a little bit more expensive, but for me, it's so worth it.

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Just to know where things come from and you know what goes into their bodies and you know what they're what they're feeding them so I think that's the that's the way to do it is support the local farm stands and support the local farmers that are Getting off, you know their feet to to process because that is not an easy job After watching the workshop video. I was like, wow, this is insane. And I had no idea how much work went into just plucking

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So it's a lot of hard, good work. Yeah, I was going to say, it's relatively hard. I don't think it's difficult. I think it's time. It's a lot of time involved. Yes, if you don't have the proper equipment, it does take quite a bit of time. Yeah. So I have a rather pointed question. It's going to sound pointed. I'm not trying to be a snot. I just need to know.

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Is your, is the study home your only business or do you guys like garden or do you have animals or do you do any of those things? Yes, we do. So we have, let's see, Martha, we have goats, we have Nigerian dwarf goats. My first goat that we got, her name is Martha, she just had her first, she just went into, I guess came out of kidding season.

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And we just pulled her babies from her last week. So we have five total now Nigerian Dwarf goats. And then we have, let's see, one, two, three. I think we're at either 11 or 12 chickens. So very small. And then we have the raised garden beds that I realized this year are just way too small for us for our goals with having a massive pantry. So that,

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bought the equipment that we needed to be able to do our own full garden. So I think that's going to be like 0.25 acres of a garden is, yeah, so pretty big. At least for us, it's pretty big. But my grandparents have a bigger one and a massive greenhouse too. So I always feel like I'm just a little guy. But

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Yeah, so we do everything that we teach. We're not just all business. We very much are hands-on, and my kids are hands-on. So that was the main reason that I wanted to do this was for them, because I realized a lot of the grit that I was taught as a kid came from having my hands in the dirt, riding fullers, and being outside, and fishing in the pond. So a lot of the grit was instilled

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through my childhood and as I was reading my oldest daughter, Lily, I realized that she didn't have a lot of grit. She was actually a little scared of the dirt. And I was like, no, we need to pivot. So we jumped into chickens first, like I think everybody does as far as hands in the dirt. So we got the chickens and then we...

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Got two goats after that and got another set of chickens and we got meat chickens and that did not actually did not turn out the way that I had expected. We had a predator get to them that wasn't we were not prepared for that as much as I thought that we would be. And so we're going to do another another round of meat chickens next year just to be able to do it.

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you know, see how we like it. And if it's something that we like, then we'll continue to do it just for our family. And let's see, I think that's it. But we're only on like two and a half, a little less than two and a half acres. And so we're in search of more land that is centralized to the kids school. And my oldest daughter is eight and then my youngest, she's getting ready to turn three.

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And so just finding something that is central to the area and then not too far from our family because our family is about an hour and a half apart within his mom's side and then my dad's side. So it's quite a hike. So we got to find something kind of in the middle. Okay. And the reason I said it was a pointed question is it was going to come off sounding like, well, if you're doing this, but you're not actually raising anything, then why are you doing this? And that's not what I was getting at.

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Oh, I didn't take it that way. Yeah, so I wanted to make sure that I put that in there because you don't have to be a homesteader to learn about homesteading skills. Right. Yeah, there's a lot of people that are just putting potatoes in a five gallon bucket on their back porch in their apartment. And so I think.

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You know, you can really start at any point wherever you are in your life and, you know, growing little seedlings within your house. That's where I started with my garden. And yeah, it's just, I think to be educated and just to consume the knowledge and not take any action on it. If you have a goal of taking future action, that's completely great. Like that's great. You're doing what you need to in order to get started. But if you never take the action, what's the

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There's minimal point in my opinion of doing it because you learn so much more hands on. You know, there's, there's, you can consume as much information as you like, but if you don't apply the knowledge, you lose it in 30 days. Yes. And honestly, if you can make a meal from scratch, one meal, that's homesteading. If you can, if you can crochet a basic scarf, that's homesteading.

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Exactly. Yeah, the first thing that I ever, I was so, I don't know all of the ends and outs of it. I got a sewing machine for my birthday and I still have yet to really put in more than an hour's work on it. We've just had our hands in so many other different projects that I just haven't slowed down. And I think slowing is like...

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the intention of that is just to take a break and disconnect and be creative with your hands and you know, learning how to do the basics. And I've watched a couple different videos on sewing, but I did mystery, like a wasse mystery. That was part of the thing, one of the launches that we did for the sourdough. But yeah, we've done, I've done a couple different

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plug in the little, the needles into. And that was the first thing that I ever said. And so just taking time to just slow down and create little things like that, I think is so fulfilling too. Yes, because the world is so busy and distracting. You can find anything to do where it's your hands or your body and you are focused on the one thing that you're creating. It actually gives your brain a chance to relax.

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Mm-hmm, and that's what I love about cooking. Oh So you're in the kitchen that's where you relax Yeah, and on the podcast because I really love listening to you guys's stories So I'm focused on your stories for a half an hour to 45 minutes every day. Hopefully You know a lot of people think that it it takes and I know we're coming up on time No, I think a lot of people

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think about homesteading or just slowing down, like that's slowing down as a particular lifestyle that you have to slow down in every area. And I've studied masculine and feminine energy and understanding the different roles and how they integrate. And I think integration is extremely important. There is a certain point where you have to have a lot of drive and a lot of masculine energy to go, go, go. And then there's a certain time where, even if it's five to 10 minutes a day,

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For me, it's walking out in my backyard with my toes just ingrained in the grass. I just feel so much more connected to what our long-term mission is. I can really go into a creative space within my mind if I want to of what is the next vision. Or I can slow down and say, okay, I'm going to be present here in this moment. I feel sun on my skin. Just taking that time for us to get out of the hook.

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the hustle culture that they've created has been my wind down. I've just connected and then, you know, doing the devotions every morning has been very fulfilling. And reading a book, you know, anything that I think just makes you utilize some of your, your senses rather than the mind so much. It's definitely ways to slow down. Yep. And everybody needs a chance to slow down.

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I've said this a bunch of times over the last year, your body cannot handle a state of constant anxiety for very long without starting to break down. Right. Yeah. Staying in a fight or flight state is not going to keep you alive or, you know, see your great grandchildren towards the end of your life. You've got to learn different ways to cope and to...

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get back into your body and figure out what it is that you wanna do within your life that doesn't create a go, go, go. Because at the end of your life, I think you always question, what is it that I was here to do and did I fulfill that? And if the answer is no, it may seem like a life full of regret. But if you do take time and say, okay, what was extremely important to me and to the people?

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around me that creates the fulfillment, then did I have a life worth living? Absolutely. Yep, absolutely. And that is a great note to end this podcast episode on. Thank you, Lexi, for your time. I appreciate it. Oh, thanks so much, Mary. And congratulations. Happy one year to you. Thank you. And I will put all the links to all the things in your show notes, okay? Yes. Okay. Sounds good, Mary. Thank you. Thanks. Have a good afternoon.