You may not be rewriting the world in Rust, but if you follow the findings of the Android team and our guest Jeff Vander Stoep, you'll drive down your memory-unsafety vulnerabilities more than 2X below the industry average over time! 🎉 Transcript: https://securitycryptographywhatever.com/2024/10/15/a-little-bit-of-rust-goes-a-long-way/ Links: - htt…

With the 2024 United States Presidential Election right around the corner, we talk to an unnamed guest who has worked on cybersecurity for political campaigns in the United States since 2004. We recorded this in late August, 2024. Transcript: https://securitycryptographywhatever.com/2024/10/13/campaign-security/ Links: - Active Measures by Thomas R…

We finally have an excuse to tear down Telegram! Their CEO got arrested by the French, apparently not because the cryptography in Telegram is bad, but special guest Matt Green joined us to talk about how the cryptography is bad anyway, and you probably shouldn't use Telegram as a secure messenger of any kind! Transcript: https://securitycryptograph…

Are you going to be in Vegas during BlackHat / DEF CON? We're hosting a mixer, sponsored by Observa! We have limited capacity, so please only register if you can actually come. Location details are in the confirmation email. Tickets will be released in batches, so if you get waitlisted, there's a good chance you still get in. Looking forward to see…

We have Mark Dowd on, founder of Aziumuth Security and one of the authors of The Art of Software Security Assessment, to talk about the market for zero day vulnerabilities, and how mitigations affect monetizing offensive security work. Transcript: https://securitycryptographywhatever.com/2024/06/24/mdowd/ Links: https://www.azimuthsecurity.com/ htt…

iykyk Transcript: https://securitycryptographywhatever.com/2024/05/25/ekr/ Links: - https://hovav.net/ucsd/dist/draft-shacham-tls-fasttrack-00.txt - https://crypto.stanford.edu/~dabo/pubs/papers/fasttrack.pdf - https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/rfc8446 - SoK: SCT Auditing in Certificate Transparency: https://arxiv.org/pdf/2203.01661 - A hard lo…

Josh Brown and Paul Grubbs join us to describe how those damned spam calls work, and how STIR/SHAKEN is supposed to try to stop them, but have other privacy and security implications as well. Transcript: https://securitycryptographywhatever.com/2024/04/30/stir-shaken/ Links: - https://iacr.org/submit/files/slides/2024/rwc/rwc2024/98/slides.pdf - ht…

(NSFW) Three AI-generated guests rank cryptography things into a tier list. Play along at home and make your own tier list: https://tiermaker.com/create/cryptography-15683166 This episode is definitely not safe for work and definitely a parody. Do not base your decision in the 2024 election off of this podcast episode. No campaigns have endorsed th…

Apple iMessage is getting a big upgrade! Not only are they rolling out ratcheting, but they’re going post-quantum, AND they’re doing post-quantum ratcheting! Douglas Stebila joined us to talk about his security analysis of the new PQ3 protocol update and not indulge our wild Apple speculations: Transcript: https://securitycryptographywhatever.com/2…

We welcome Franziskus and Karthik from Cryspen to discuss their new high-assurance implementation of ML-KEM (the final form of Kyber), discussing how formal methods can both help provide correctness guarantees, security assurances, and performance wins for your crypto code! Transcript: https://securitycryptographywhatever.com/2024/01/29/high-assura…

Facebook Messenger has finally been end-to-end encrypted, a couple of years after Mark Zuckerberg announced it! Plus Instagram DMs are trialing ephemeral E2EE DMs too! We invited on Jon Millican and Timothy Buck from Meta to discuss this major cross-platform endeavor, and how David Bowie fits into their personal Labyrinth. Transcript: https://secur…

Returning champion Martin Albrecht joins us to help explain how we measure the security of lattice-based cryptosystems like Kyber and Dilithium against attackers. QRAM, BKZ, LLL, oh my! Transcript: https://securitycryptographywhatever.com/2023/11/13/lattice-attacks/ Links: - https://pq-crystals.org/kyber/index.shtml - https://pq-crystals.org/dilith…

We're back! Signal rolled out a protocol change to be post-quantum resilient! Someone was caught intercepting Jabber TLS via certificate transparency! Was the same-origin policy in web browers just a dirty hack all along? Plus secure message format formalisms, and even more beating of the dead horse that is E2EE in the browser. Transcript: https://…

We explore how the NIST curve parameter seeds were generated, as best we can, with returning champion Steve Weis! “At the point where we find an intelligible English string that generates the NIST P-curve seeds, nobody serious is going to take the seed provenance concerns seriously anymore.” Transcript: https://securitycryptographywhatever.com/2023…

We're back from our summer vacation! We're covering a bunch of stuff we saw and did: Transcript: https://securitycryptographywhatever.com/2023/09/13/cruel-summer/ Links: - Zenbleed: https://lock.cmpxchg8b.com/zenbleed.html - Downfall: https://downfall.page - Post-quantum Yubikeys: https://security.googleblog.com/2023/08/toward-quantum-resilient-sec…

What does P vs NP have to do with cryptography? Why do people love and laugh about the random oracle model? What's an oracle? What do you mean factoring and discrete log don't have proofs of hardness? How does any of this cryptography stuff work, anyway? We trapped Steve Weis into answering our many questions. Transcript: https://securitycryptograp…

Are Twitter’s new encrypted DMs unreadable even if you put a gun to Elon’s head? We invited Matthew Garrett on to do a deep decompiled dive into what kind of cryptography actually shipped. Transcript: https://securitycryptographywhatever.com/2023/05/29/elons-encrypted-dms-with-matthew-garrett/ Links: https://mjg59.dreamwidth.org/66791.html https://…

WhatsApp has announced they’re rolling out key transparency! Doing this at WhatsApp-scale (aka billions and biiillions of keys) is a significant task, so we talked to Jasleen Malvai and Kevin Lewi about how it works. Transcript: https://securitycryptographywhatever.com/2023/05/06/whatsapp-key-transparency Links: https://engineering.fb.com/2023/04/1…

Messaging Layer Security (MLS) 1.0 is (basically) here! We invited Raphael Robert, coauthor of the MLS specification to explain it to us and answer our annoying questions (read: why does this exist?) Transcript: https://securitycryptographywhatever.com/2023/04/22/mls/ Links: - https://messaginglayersecurity.rocks/ - https://messaginglayersecurity.r…

Real World Cryptography 2023 is happening any moment now in Tokyo. Also, some phone basebands are broken. Links https://rwc.iacr.org/2023/ https://googleprojectzero.blogspot.com/2023/03/multiple-internet-to-baseband-remote-rce.html Transcript: https://securitycryptographywhatever.com/2023/03/24/rwc-2023/ "Security Cryptography Whatever" is hosted b…

Another day, another ostensibly secure messenger that quails under the gaze of some intrepid cryptographers. This time, it's Threema, and the gaze belongs to Kenny Paterson, Matteo Scarlata, and Kien Tuong Truong from ETH Zurich. Get ready for some stunt cryptography, like 2 Fast 2 Furious stunts. Transcript: https://securitycryptographywhatever.co…

There's a paper that claims one can factor a RSA-2048 modulus with the help of a 372-qubit quantum computer. Are we all gonna die? Also some musings about Bruce Schneier. Errata: Schneier's honorary PhD is from the University of Westminster, not UW. Transcript: https://securitycryptographywhatever.com/2023/01/06/has-rsa-been-destroyed-by-a-quantum-…

David and Deirdre gab about some stuff we didn't get to or just recently happened, like Tailscale's new Tailnet Lock, the Okta breach, what the fuck CISOs are for anyway, Rust in Android and Chrome, passkeys support, and of course, SBF. Transcript: https://securitycryptographywhatever.com/2023/01/04/end-of-year-wrap-up/ Links: https://tailscale.com…

We talk to Kevin Riggle (@kevinriggle) about complexity and safety. We also talk about the Twitter acquisition. While recording, we discovered a new failure mode where Kevin couldn't hear Thomas, but David and Deirdre could, so there's not much Thomas this episode. If you ever need to get Thomas to voluntarily stop talking, simply mute him to half …

No not the movie: the secure group messaging protocol! Or rather all the bugs and vulns that a team of researchers found when trying to formalize said protocol. Martin Albrecht and Dan Jones joined us to walk us through "Practically-exploitable Cryptographic Vulnerabilities in Matrix". Transcript: https://securitycryptographywhatever.com/2022/11/02…

We have Sarah Harvey (@worldwise001 on Twitter) to talk about SOC2, what it means, how to get it, and if it's important or not. The discussion centers around two blog posts written by Thomas: SOC2 Starting Seven: https://latacora.micro.blog/2020/03/12/the-soc-starting.html SOC2 at Fly: https://fly.io/blog/soc2-the-screenshots-will-continue-until-se…

This episode got delayed because David got COVID. Anyway, here's Nate Lawson: The Two Towers. Steven Chu: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steven_Chu CFB: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Block_cipher_mode_of_operation#Cipher_feedback_(CFB) CCFB: https://link.springer.com/chapter/10.1007/11502760_19 XXTEA: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/XXTEA CHERI: https…

We bring on Nate Lawson of Root Labs to talk about a little bit of everything, starting with cryptography in the 1990s. Transcript: https://securitycryptographywhatever.com/2022/09/09/nate-lawson-part-1/ References IBM S/390: https://ieeexplore.ieee.org/document/5389176 SSLv2 Spec: https://www-archive.mozilla.org/projects/security/pki/nss/ssl/draft…

Are the isogenies kaput?! There's a new attack that breaks all the known parameter sets for SIDH/SIKE, so Steven Galbraith helps explain where the hell this came from, and where isogeny crypto goes from here. Transcript: https://securitycryptographywhatever.com/2022/08/11/hot-cryptanalytic-summer-with-steven-galbraith/ Merch: https://merch.scwpodca…

Adam Langley (Google) comes on the podcast to talk about the evolution of WebAuthN and Passkeys! David's audio was a little finicky in this one. Believe us, it sounded worse before we edited it. Also, we occasionally accidentally refer to U2F as UTF. That's because we just really love strings. Transcript: https://securitycryptographywhatever.com/20…

Side channels! Frequency scaling! Key encapsulation, oh my! We're talking about the new Hertzbleed paper, but also cryptography conferences, 'passkeys', and end-to-end encrypting yer twitter.com DMs. Transcript: https://securitycryptographywhatever.com/2022/06/17/hertzbleed/ Links: Hertzbleed Attack | ellipticnews (wordpress.com) https://www.hertzb…

The US government released a memo about moving to a zero-trust network architecture. What does this mean? We have one of the authors, Eric Mill, on to explain it to us. As always, your @SCWPod hosts are Deirdre Connolly (@durumcrustulum), Thomas Ptacek (@tqbf), and David Adrian (@davidcadrian). Transcript: https://securitycryptographywhatever.com/2…

We talk about Tink with Sophie Schmieg, cryptographer and algebraic geometer at Google. Transcript: https://securitycryptographywhatever.com/2022/05/28/tink-with-sophie-schmieg/ Links: Sophie: https://twitter.com/SchmiegSophie Tink: https://github.com/google/tink RWC talk: https://youtube.com/watch?t=1028&v=CiH6iqjWpt8 Where to store keys: https://…

Live from Amsterdam, it's cancellable crypto hot takes! A fun little meme, plus a preview of the Real World Crypto program! Transcript: https://securitycryptographywhatever.com/2022/04/12/cancellable-crypto-takes-and-real-world-crypto/ Links: Tony's twete: https://twitter.com/bascule/status/1512539700220805124 Real World Crypto 2022: https://rwc.ia…

We're back! With an episode on lattice-based cryptography, with Professor Chris Peikert of the University of Michigan, David's alma mater. When we recorded this, Michigan football had just beaten Ohio for the first time in a bajillion years, so you get a nerdy coda on college football this time! Transcript: https://securitycryptographywhatever.com/…

We've trashed JWTs, discussed PASETO, Macaroons, and now, Biscuits! Actually, multiple iterations of Biscuits! Pairings and gamma signatures and Datalog, oh my! 🍪 Transcript: https://securitycryptographywhatever.com/2022/01/29/biscuits-with-geoffroy-couprie/ Links: Biscuits V2: https://www.biscuitsec.org Experiments iterating on Biscuits: https://g…

“Can I Tailscale my Chromecast?” You love Tailscale, I love Tailscale, we loved talking to Avery Pennarun and Brad Fitzpatrick from Tailscale about, I dunno, Go generics. Oh, and TAILSCALE! And DNS. And WASM. Transcript: https://securitycryptographywhatever.com/2022/01/15/tailscale-with-avery-pennarun-brad-fitzpatrick/ People: Avery Pennarun (@apen…

We recorded this months ago, and now it's finally up! Colm MacCárthaigh joined us to chat about all things TLS, S2N, MTLS, SSH, fuzzing, formal verification, implementing state machines, and of course, DNSSEC. Transcript: https://securitycryptographywhatever.com/2021/12/29/the-feeling-s-mutual-mtls-with-colm-maccarthaigh/ Find us at: https://twitte…

Happy New Year! Feliz Navidad! Merry Yule! Happy Hannukah! Pour one out for the log4j incident responders! We did a call-in episode on Twitter Spaces and recorded it, so that's why the audio sounds different. We talked about BLOCKCHAIN/Web3 (blech), testing, post-quantum crypto, client certificates, ssh client certificates, threshold cryptography, …

Hey, a new episode! We had a fantastic conversation with Jason Donenfeld, creator of our favorite modern VPN protocol: WireGuard! We touched on kernel hacking, formal verification, post-quantum cryptography, developing with disassemblers, and more! Transcript: https://securitycryptographywhatever.com/2021/12/05/wireguard-with-jason-donenfeld/ Links…

A conversation that started with PAKEs (password-authenticated key exchanges) and touched on some cool math things: PRFs, finite fields, elliptic curve groups, anonymity protocols, hashing to curve groups, prime order groups, and more. With special guest, George Tankersley! Transcript: https://securitycryptographywhatever.com/2021/10/26/pakes-oprfs…

A lot of fixes got pushed in the past week! Please apply your updates! Apple, Chrome, Matrix, Azure, and more nonsense. Transcript: https://securitycryptographywhatever.com/2021/09/20/patch-damnit/ Find us at: https://twitter.com/scwpod https://twitter.com/durumcrustulum https://twitter.com/tqbf https://twitter.com/davidcadrian Links! The accuvant …

Not the hero the internet deserves, but the one we need: it's Ryan Sleevi! We get into the weeds on becoming a certificate authority, auditing said authorities, DNSSEC, DANE, taking over country code top level domains, Luxembourg, X.509, ASN.1, CBOR, more JSON (!), ACME, Let's Encrypt, and more, on this extra lorge episode with the web PKI's Batman…

We're talking about Apple's new proposed client-side CSAM detection system. We weren't sure if we were going to cover this, and then we realized that not all of us have been paying super close attention to what the hell this thing is, and have a lot of questions about it. So we're talking about it, with our special guest Professor Matthew Green. We…

We did not run out of things to talk about: Chrome vs. Safari vs. Firefox. Rust vs. C++. Bug bounties vs. exploit development. The Peace Corps vs. The Marine Corps. Transcript: https://securitycryptographywhatever.com/2021/08/21/platform-security-part-deux-with-justin-schuh/ Find us at: https://twitter.com/scwpod https://twitter.com/durumcrustulum …

🔥JWT🔥 We talk about all sorts of tokens: JWT, PASETO, Protobuf Tokens, Macaroons, and Biscuits. With the great Jonathan Rudenberg! After we recorded this, Thomas went deep on tokens even beyond what we talked about here: https://fly.io/blog/api-tokens-a-tedious-survey/ Transcript: https://securitycryptographywhatever.com/2021/08/12/what-do-we-do-ab…

Special guest Filippo Valsorda joins us to debate with Thomas on whether one should or should not "roll your own crypto", and how to produce better cryptography in general. After we recorded this, David went even deeper on 'rolling your own crypto' in a blog post here: https://dadrian.io/blog/posts/roll-your-own-crypto/ Transcript: https://security…

Deirdre, Thomas and David talk about NSO group, Pegasus, whether iOS a burning trash fire, the zero-day market, and whether rewriting all of iOS in Swift is a viable strategy for reducing all these vulns. Transcript: https://securitycryptographywhatever.com/2021/07/26/nso-group-pegasus-zero-days-i-os-message-security/ Find us at: https://twitter.co…