Welcome to Dr. Mark Chironna's Podcast, The Edge.
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GROWING AS MATURE SONS INTO THE KINGDOM WE WILL STUDY Traveling in spiritual dimensions Reigning as King and Priest Utilizing ancient spiritual practices Engaging heavenly beings Operating from thrones and places We will dive into the Mysteries of the Scriptures regarding all of these topics
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Women, Men, Mutuality, and the Bible CBE’s Mutuality Matters podcast is part of CBE International’s online library of free resources! Hosts of CBE’s Mutuality Matters team offer weekly conversations with leaders, pastors, authors, scholars, activists, and humanitarians on women, men, shared leadership, and Scripture. CBE International (Christians for Biblical Equality) advances the gospel by equipping women and men of all cultures, races, and classes to lead and serve as equals. Founded in 1 ...
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(Side by Side) How to Shape an Irresistible Egalitarian Church Culture with Rev. Lisa Johnson
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What could it look like to build an egalitarian culture in our churches and organizations? In this episode, Rev. Lisa Johnson, executive director of leadership formation for the ECO denomination, joins Layla and Rob to discuss culture change through proactively inviting women into leadership, doggedly pursuing the 30 percent rule, and being intenti…
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(Home, Church, and World) Penny Preaches with Amy and Rob Dixon
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This episode is a part of a new segment of the Mutuality Matters podcast, hosted by Tara and Todd Korpi. In this segment we discuss headship theology––dynamics of power, authority, and gender, and how they function in Christian homes, the local church and society as a whole. We’re joined by Amy and Rob Dixon who have co-authored the children’s book…
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A Conversation with Dr. Nijay Gupta
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In this episode of The Edge Podcast, Dr. Mark Chironna welcomes Dr. Nijay Gupta, a renowned New Testament scholar, professor, and author. Focusing on Pauline theology, early Christianity, and biblical interpretation, Dr. Gupta offers a unique blend of academic rigor and practical insights that make the New Testament both accessible and transformati…
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(Global Impact) Women and Peace in the Holy Lands with Dr. Salim Munayer
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In this episode, Mimi Haddad and Kim Dickson interview Dr. Salim Munayer about his work on reconciliation in the Holy Lands. During the first half of the interview, he describes the steps involved in difficult reconciliations. In the second half of the interview, he discusses Jesus’s counter-cultural inclusion of women and their necessary inclusion…
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Women and Words: Examining Different Translations with Dr. Hélène Dallaire
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In this episode, Dr. Hélène Dallaire joins the discussion on biblical translation biases and the importance of accurately reflecting women in Scripture. The conversation covers how English readers can detect biases, the significance of diverse translation teams, and the dangers of relying on one translation alone. Dr. Dallaire emphasizes the need f…
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(Women in Scripture and Christian History) The Free Methodist Church and the Silencing of Women with Dr. Christy Mesaros-Winckles
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In this episode of Mutuality Matters, Christy Mesaros-Winckles traces women’s ordination and leadership in the Free Methodist Church. Highlighting three women evangelists, and a key ally in their efforts to attain ordination, Mesaros-Winckles traces shift of the Free Methodist Church from very inclusive to exclusive. Mesaros-Winckles speaks to the …
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(Home, Church, and World) Addressing Sexism in the Church with Dr. Heather Matthews
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This episode is a part of a new segment of the Mutuality Matters podcast, hosted by Tara and Todd Korpi. In this segment we discuss headship theology––dynamics of power, authority, and gender, and how they function in Christian homes, the local church and society as a whole. We’re joined by the Rev. Dr. Heather Matthews, program manager for the Doc…
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This insightful episode delves into the rich intersection of personal transformation and its impact on broader cultural change. Our discussion covers the deep significance of the parable of the prodigal son within Christian beliefs, exploring its relevance to the challenges faced in modern evangelical culture. We also highlight the crucial roles of…
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(Women and Words) How do we transcend a Western perspective in Translation? with Dr. Hélène Dallaire
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In this episode of Mutuality Matters, “Women in Words: Bible Translation and Why it Matters,” Dr. Helene Dallaire, who holds a PhD in Hebraic and Cognate Studies and serves as the Earl S. Callen Professor of Old Testament and Semitic Languages at Denver Seminary, shares insights on the complexities of Bible translation, the importance of cultural s…
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(Home, Church, and World) A Pentecostal Response to Headship Theology with Dr. Mark Chironna
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This episode is a part of the Home, Church, and World theme of the Mutuality Matters podcast, hosted by Tara and Todd Korpi. In this episode we discuss dynamics of power, authority, and gender, and how they function in Christian homes, the local church and society. We’re joined by Dr. Mark Chironna, who is a Pentecostal bishop, semiotician, and fou…
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(Women and Words) Context and Canon: Women's Leadership in Biblical Translation
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In this episode of Mutuality Matters the discussion focuses on how Bible translation can impact understanding and implementation of biblical equality. The episode explores the complexities translators face working with Hebrew, Greek, and other languages, and the importance of context in interpreting passages that have historically been used to limi…
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(Women in Scripture and History) Bringing Phoebe and Junia to Life with Dr. Nijay Gupta
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In this episode, Kim Dickson talks with Dr. Nijay Gupta about the New Testament women he highlights in his Book Tell Her Story: How Women Led, Taught, and Ministered in the Early Church. Women who are little known to the average contemporary Christian come alive as Nijay discusses the world in which these remarkable women lived, served, and suffere…
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In this episode, we continue the journey of being led by the Holy Spirit through indirection and connecting it to the understanding of abiding, particularly when you don’t understand the place and/or state you are in. The Exchange is a series inside The Edge Podcast in which Dr. Mark Chironna and Dr. Mario dialogue about topics at the intersections…
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(Home, Church, and World) Empowering Women Leaders in the Black Church
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This episode is a part of a new segment of the Mutuality Matters podcast, hosted by Tara and Todd Korpi. In this segment we discuss headship theology—dynamics of power, authority, and gender, and how they function in Christian homes, the local church and society as a whole. We’re joined by Petra and Garry Scott, leaders of the ministry The Road to …
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(Women and Words) Bible Translation in Global Perspective with Rev. Dr. Marlon Winedt
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In this episode of Mutuality Matters, Rev. Dr. Marlon Winedt shows how the biblical narratives often oppose oppressive cultural practices. Examples include Mary and Mary who are portrayed as disciples. Jesus does not scold them for sitting at his feet versus feeding the disciples. Further, throughout Scripture, women are often subjects and not obje…
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(Side by Side) Navigating Egalitarian Theology with Dr. Jeff Liou
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What could it look like for leaders to help their people embrace and embody a robust egalitarian conviction? “Emerging egalitarian” Dr. Jeff Liou, InterVarsity’s National Director of Theological Formation, joins Layla and Rob to reflect on his own journey with egalitarianism, and he offers a compelling picture of a theological formation process mar…
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(Home, Church, and World) Beyond Headship Dysfunction: Best Practices in Co-Pastoring a Church with Michele and Mark Benson
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In this episode of Mutuality Matters, hosts Tara and Todd Korpi welcome Pastors Mark and Michelle Benson, co-lead pastors from Dothan Assembly in Alabama. Mark and Michelle share their journey of co-pastoring, highlighting the biblical call for gender equality in leadership. They discuss the challenges and growth experienced in their ministry, the …
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(Women and Words) Challenges and Joys in Bible Translation with Dr. Marlon Winedt
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In this episode of Mutuality Matters, host Mimi Haddad welcomes Dr. Marlon Winedt, a seasoned Bible translator, theologian, and philosopher. Dr. Winedt shares his vast experience in Bible translation, particularly his work with the Common Language Papiamintu Bible and assisting translation teams across the Caribbean and the Americas. He discusses t…
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The Leading of The Holy Spirit By Indirection
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In this episode, Dr. Chironna and Dr. Mario discuss the story of Philip and the Ethiopian eunuch and The Leading Of The Holy Spirit By Way Of Indirection, which is the way of not knowing what is coming next, but the way of valuing not knowing and finding our way by stepping away from the direct - linear paths of thought or action, enjoy. The Exchan…
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(Home, Church, and World) What is Headship Theology? Part 2 with Andrew Bartlett and Terran Williams
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This second installment of a two-part episode is a part of a new segment of the Mutuality Matters podcast, hosted by Tara and Todd Korpi. We’re joined by Andrew Bartlett and Terran Williams, two biblical teachers who have written extensively on women and the church. In this episode, Andrew and Terran discuss the concept of the 'tiebreaker rule' in …
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The profound vision in Ezekiel 47 and the transformative power of images.
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The Exchange is a series inside The Edge Podcast in which Dr. Mark Chironna and Dr. Mario Hood dialogue on topics at the intersections of spirituality, theology, and psychology. In this episode, they discuss the profound vision in Ezekiel 47 and the transformative power of images.
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(Women and Words) Marriage in the Greco-Roman World in Translation with Dr. Roy Ciampa
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In this episode of Mutuality Matters, hosted by CBE International, Dr. Roy Ciampa discusses the significance of Bible translation and its impact on women worldwide. As a seasoned Bible translator and professor, Dr. Ciampa highlights how translations can shape perceptions of gender roles, stressing the importance of considering cultural contexts to …
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(Home, Church, and World) What is Headship Theology? Part 1 with Andrew Bartlett and Terran Williams
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This two-part episode is the first in a new segment of the Mutuality Matters podcast, hosted by Tara and Todd Korpi. In this segment we discuss headship theology––dynamics of power, authority, and women and men, and how they function in Christian homes, the local church and society as a whole. We’re joined by Andrew Bartlett and Terran Williams, tw…
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(Women and Men Leading Together) What’s Next? Answering Your Questions with Layla and Rob
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This episode begins with news! Layla and Rob’s podcast thread is changing, from a solitary focus on how mixed-gender ministry partnerships work in the field to a wider discussion about how egalitarians can practically engage not just interpersonal dynamics, but systems, theology, culture, and more. And the best guests to talk about this shift? Layl…
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(Women and Words) Exploring Women’s Biblical Equality Through Bible Translation with Dr. Roy Ciampa
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This episode of the Mutuality Matters podcast, hosted by CBE International, features Dr. Roy Ciampa, the S. Lewis and N. W. Armstrong Professor of Religion at Samford University in Birmingham, Alabama. Dr. Ciampa discusses the significance of Bible translation in promoting women’s biblical equality, his background as a missionary, professor, and Bi…
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(Intersectionality) Telling Her Story through Allyship and Agency with Rev. Dwayne Jackson
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Sit down this week with hosts Angela and Liz as they chat with Rev. Dwayne Jackson. Rev. Jackson shares his expertise about working with the Reformed Church of America and how the stories from his fellow sisters in ministry catapulted his everyday practice of mutuality. He also describes his love for those at the margins and his pastoral position a…
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(Women in Scripture and History) Esther, Mutuality, and the Gospel with Dr. Karen H. Jobes
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In this episode, Kim Dickson and Amber Burgess interview Dr. Karen H. Jobes about Esther. As a lifetime teaching professor, Dr. Jobes skillfully explains the academic complexities of Esther in a way that brings her listeners along to understand the significance of Esther’s story in the broader canon. She describes how Mordechai’s challenge to Esthe…
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(Women and Words) Translation Bias and How to Read the Bible Well with Dr. Roy Ciampa
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Dr. Ciampa explores the complexity of Bible translation, through his experiences both as a translator and professor of Bible translation, working beside translation teams worldwide. He considers both challenges and opportunities facing translation teams given the limited resources of translators in the majority world in contrast to the wealth of th…
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(Intersectionality) Where Do We Begin? Finding Our Place in God’s Plan
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Listeners are in for a treat as veteran host, Dr. Angela is interviewed by new co-host, Rev. Liz Testa. As Liz got to know Angela and listened to past episodes, she realized the wealth of insight sitting behind the mic that people needed to hear about. You don’t want to miss hearing Angela share how she got involved with CBE (hint, it connects with…
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(Women and Words) “We All Read the Bible Through a Cultural Lens” with Dr. Diphus Chemorion
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Host Dr. Mimi Haddad continues her conversation with Dr. Diphus Chemorion, a member of CBE’s Bible translation Old Testament team. Dr. Chemorion states that the goal of CBE’s Gender Accurate Bible translation (GAB) is accuracy related to the dignity and agency of women and men. The team has worked to elevate what has been downplayed through a clear…
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(Women and Men Leading Together) Picking Up the Weight Together with Scott Sinner and Bekah Townsend
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Pastor Scott Sinner might have “stumbled onto” the idea of mixed-gender ministry partnership, but now he and his colleagues at Green Valley Community Church in Placerville, California, operate out of a place of deep conviction. In this episode, Pastor Sinner and Pastor Bekah Townsend tell Layla and Rob how they live out shared leadership with an em…
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(Women and Words) Bible Translation as Communication with Dr. Diphus Chemorion
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Host Dr. Mimi Haddad meets with Dr. Diphus Chemorion, a member of CBE’s Bible translation Old Testament team. Dr. Diphus Chemorion clearly and methodically describes the process of Bible translation primarily as communication versus theological exposition. The task of translation teams is to aim at biblical clarity in addressing their specific and …
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(Global Impact) Partnering with Courtship and Marriage Foundation in Zimbabwe, Africa with Rev. Herbert Mazonde
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In this episode, hosts Mimi and Kim discuss CBE’s partnership with Rev. Herbert Mazonde as he works to restore the church to the heart of God with women and men working in partnership and mutuality. The team experienced some technical issues throughout the episode with Rev. Herbert’s audio, but even through the barriers of technology and distance, …
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(Women and Words) Refined Gold: The Resilience of Strong Women in Scripture with Dr. Boaz Johnson
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Building on part one, Dr. Boaz Johnson considers how women throughout the Old Testament are characterized by strength (Chayil in Hebrew). Part of women’s strength is the result of much suffering, like Job’s wife who becomes the mother of seven boys and three girls. The girls are named but not the boys. Consider the Song of Songs, the Shulamite woma…
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(Global Impact) Partnering with SheLearns in Uganda to Empower Girls with Fred Sebaggala
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In this episode, Mimi and Kim discuss CBE’s partnership with SheLearns in Uganda, East Africa, with the founder and director, Fred Sebaggala. Fred discusses the practical hardships and discrimination that women and girls face in Uganda and how the biblical message from Genesis through Galatians provides girls with the self-esteem to dream and pursu…
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(Women and Words) Women Pioneers in Bible Translation with Dr. Boaz Johnson
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Dr. Boaz Johnson explores women Bible translators such as Pandita Ramabai (1858-1922) who, as a child, memorized thousands of Sanskrit texts. After coming to faith as a Christian, Pandita mastered the ancient languages and produced a Bible in Marathi—a very popular dialect in India. The work was completed on her compound called Mukti—meaning salvat…
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(Women and Men Leading Together) “Call Her What She Is” with Maddie Cummings and Brooke Pland
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In this episode, Layla and Rob sit down with InterVarsity colleagues Brooke Pland and Maddie Cummings to get a sense of Gen. Z’s perspective on women and men partnering together in ministry. These two women offer prophetic words to the church about representation, getting rid of gender-based leadership roles, and the importance of using the right j…
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(New Voices) A Visit to the CBE Bookstore with Elizabeth Beyer
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Show Notes Did you know that CBE reviews books before recommending them in the CBE bookstore? Did you know CBE has created its own books and resources that are available? In this final episode with hosts Blake and Erin, CBE’s manager of learning resources and international projects comes on the podcast to tell you about her favorite books and what…
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(Women & Words) Translating the Old Testament Part Two with Dr. Havilah Dharamraj
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Referring to the Genesis passages from Part 1, Havilah addresses the challenges of using all masculine for God, noting it’s impact on women and girls by assessing Genesis 2:18: “The Lord God said, “It is not good for the man to be alone. I will make a helper suitable for him.” Woman is too often described as “man’s helper or assistant.” But a more …
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(Intersectionality) The Narratives that Shaped Us with New Co-Host Rev. Liz Testa
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Rev. Angela Ravin-Anderson welcomes new co-host, Rev. Liz Testa, and together they reflect on intersectionality and why it’s an important aspect of what shapes them as women, believers, and leaders. Angela and Liz reflect on their faith journeys and some of the narratives within their home or early development that shaped them, as well as how they …
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(New Voices) “Women will be saved through childbearing”? 1 Timothy 2 and Artemis with Dr. Sandra Glahn
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Show Notes Are women saved through childbearing? Blake and Erin tackle one of the stickiest passages concerning women in the New Testament with scholar, Sandra Glahn. In her forthcoming book: Nobody’s Mother, Glahn tackles this passage from 1 Timothy and the context that informs it. You can find the book in CBE’s Bookstore. Bio Sandra L. Glahn (PhD…
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Women & Words: Translating the Old Testament Part One with Dr. Havilah Dharamraj
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In part one of “Translating the Old Testament with Dr. Havilah Dharamraj,” Havilah discusses not only her work leading CBE’s Old Testament translation team, but also their methodology, priorities, and examples of both. Significant examples cited include: Psalm 68:11, “The Lord announces the word, and the women who proclaim it are a mighty throng.” …
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(Global Impact) Courage Worldwide’s Work Against Sex Trafficking in Tanzania and the USA with Stephanie Midthun
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In this episode Mimi and Kim interview Stephanie Midthun of Courage Worldwide about their healing homes for girls rescued out of Sex Trafficking, both in the USA and in Tanzania. She discusses the root causes that make girls vulnerable to sex trafficking, as well as the healing girls experience that break the cycle of exploitation, causing a transf…
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(New Voices) Equity in the Christian Workplace with Eeva Simard and Beth Birmingham
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What does it mean to belong? How do we dismantle toxic systems and create equity in our missional spaces? Hosts Blake and Erin talk with Eeva Simard and Beth Birmingham about their practical book on organizational leadership and gender equality: Creating Cultures of Belonging: Cultivating Organizations Where Women and Men Thrive. Be sure to pick up…
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(Women and Words) “Male Pronouns Don’t Exist in 1 Timothy 3:1–7” with Dr. Philip B. Payne
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Dr. Philip B. Payne is a key member of CBE’s Bible Translation Team. He was active and instrumental from the very start! During episodes one and two, Mimi and Phil explore the important translation decisions of the New Testament team on difficult texts such as 1 Timothy 2:11–15, 3:1–12; Ephesians 5:21–33; 1 Corinthians 11:2–16; 1 Peter 2:18, and mo…
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(Women and Men Leading Together) An Irresistible Vision with Wendy Wilson
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Wendy Wilson, mission advisor for the Development of Women for Missio Nexus, is convinced that women and men are designed for full and equal partnership in ministry, and it shows! In this episode, Wendy challenges the church to awaken to that vision, and she provides one way to get there: safe, experiential spaces to talk about the theology and pra…
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(New Voices) “She Deserves Better” with Sheila Wray Gregoire
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What are the messages the church sends to girls and women about modesty, sex, emotions, and self, producing as they grow up? Blake and Erin talk with Sheila Gregoire about her book: She Deserves Better: Raising Girls to Resist Toxic Teachings on Sex, Self, And Speaking Up. This discussion unpacks the damage being done and how we combat it to raise …
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(Women and Words) “I Tried To Prove Egalitarians Wrong” with Dr. Philip B. Payne
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Dr. Philip B. Payne is a key member of CBE’s Bible Translation Team. He was active and instrumental from the very start! During episodes one and two, Mimi and Phil explore the important translation decisions of the New Testament team on difficult texts such as 1 Timothy 2:11–15, 3:1–12; Ephesians 5:21–33; 1 Corinthians 11:2–16; 1 Peter 2:18, and mo…
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(New Voices) Us Bearing God’s Image, Not God Bearing Ours with Dr. Lucy Peppiatt
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Show Notes Both complementarians and egalitarians have cited the doctrine of the imago Dei in the early chapters of Genesis as a cornerstone for their theology on women and men. Blake and Erin talk with Dr. Lucy Peppiatt about her book: The Imago Dei: Humanity Made in the Image of God. In this discussion, Dr. Peppiatt skillfully breaks down comple…
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