Episode 199: Is There REALLY No Ethical Consumption Under Capitalism?

Clotheshorse with Amanda Lee McCarty

If you dare to dive into the comments section on just about any post about fast fashion or fast everything, you are guaranteed to see more than one person saying "there's no ethical consumption under capitalism." This episode is part one in a recurring series examining and debunking the most common “excuses” and justifications we see for supporting, maybe even protecting(?) fast fashion and fast everything. And this week we are getting started with a real banger: “there’s no ethical consumption under capitalism.”

We will explore the following questions:

• What is the origin of "there's no ethical consumption under capitalism?" Who said it first?
• What was intended meaning of this statement and how does it differ from how it is most frequently used now?
• Why do people use this phrase so often?
• How should we interact with people who use it?
• How can we make more ethical choices in a system that is inherently unethical?

On our journey to answer these questions, we'll get to talk about feminist tees (again), visit an island nation in the Indian Ocean with a once-robust apparel production industry, buy some new underwear, and unpack how K-cups are a great example of individuals having an impact.

Additional reading:

"'Feminist' T-Shirt Backed By Women's Group Made In Sweatshop: Report," Eleanor Goldberg, Huff Post.
Where does "there is no such thing as ethical consumption under capitalism" come from?, Reddit thread.
"This feminist t-shirt isn't actually made in a sweatshop," Zing Tsjeng, Dazed.
"This is what development looks like," Maya Forstater.

Episode 200 is coming soon! April 18th at 8pm Eastern.

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