For more than a dozen years, the Stack Overflow Podcast has been exploring what it means to be a developer and how the art and practice of software programming is changing our world. From Rails to React, from Java to Node.js, we host important conversations and fascinating guests that will help you understand how technology is made and where it’s headed. Hosted by Ben Popper, Cassidy Williams, and Ceora Ford, the Stack Overflow Podcast is your home for all things code.
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Why developer experience is the key to better software, straight from the OCTO’s mouth
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John spent 25 years at Oracle before joining Google Cloud’s Office of the CTO (OCTO), a team that’s been called the company’s “secret weapon” in collaborating with major customers to solve their tech problems and drive long-term deals. For more on his approach to tech and business, you can read this article he wrote on the seven points of driving l…
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What do the tech layoffs really tell us?
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Naturally, tech layoffs are top-of-mind for many of us. Despite comparisons to the dot-com bubble, what we’re seeing right now is different. Here’s what the tech and media layoffs really tell us about the economy. In praise of analog technology: why Millennials and Gen Z are springing for paper maps. Make Time, a way of “rethinking the defaults of …
Astro is a site builder that lets you use the frontend tools you already love (React, Vue, Svelte, and more) to build content-rich, performant websites. Astro extracts your UI into smaller, isolated components (“islands”) and replaces unused JavaScript with lightweight HTML for faster loads and time-to-interactive (TTI). Ben and Nate explain why As…
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How chaos engineering preps developers for the ultimate game day
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In complex service-oriented architectures, failure can happen in individual servers and containers, then cascade through your system. Good engineering takes into account possible failures. But how do you test whether a solution actually mitigates failures without risking the ire of your customers? That’s where chaos engineering comes in, injecting …
In a win for accessibility, GitHub Copilot now responds to voice commands, allowing developers to code using their voices. Speaking of accessibility, learn how Santa Monica Studio worked with disabled gamers and the community to build accessibility into God of War Ragnarök. The US Food and Drug Administration (FDA) has determined that lab-grown mea…
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How to build a universal computation machine with Tetris
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First, some self-administered back-patting for the Stack Overflow editorial team: great engineering blogs give tech companies an edge (The New York Times says so). Hiring aside, engineering blogs are fresh sources of knowledge, insight, and entertainment for anyone working in tech. You can learn a lot from, for instance, blog posts that break down …
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How Intuit improves security, latency, and development velocity with a service mesh
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At an SaaS company like Intuit that has hundreds of services spread out across multiple products, maintaining development velocity at scale means baking some of the features that every service needs into the architecture of their systems. That’s where a service mesh comes in. It automatically adds features like observability, traffic management, an…
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Flake it till you make it - how to handle flaky tests
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There is a ton of great research to be found on Prof. Kapfhammer's website, including: Flaky Tests: Finding and fixing unpredictable and harmful test cases Database Testing: Automatically testing relational database schemas Web Testing: Detecting and repairing poor responsive web page layout We've written a bit about how Stack Overflow is upping it…
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Commit to something big: all about monorepos
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Juri is currently Director of Developer Experience (Global) and Director of Engineering (Europe) at Nrwl, founded by former Googlers/Angular core team members Jeff Cross and Victor Savkin. Nrwl has compiled everything you need to know about monorepos, plus the tools to build them, here. Connect with Juri on LinkedIn or explore his website. Shoutout…
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Taming multiple design systems with a single plugin
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Any large organization with multiple products faces the challenge of keeping their brand identity unified without denying each product its own charisma. That’s where a design system can help developers avoid reinventing the wheel every time, say, a new button gets created On this sponsored episode of the podcast, we talk with Demian Borba, Principa…
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From CS side project to the C-suite
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LogRocket helps software teams create better experiences through a combination of session replay, error tracking, and product analytics. LogRocket’s machine-learning layer, Galileo, cuts through the noise generated by conventional error monitoring and analytics tools to identify critical issues affecting users. LogRocket is hiring, so check out the…
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Our favorite apps, books, and games of 2023
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Adobe closed out 2022 and celebrated 40 years with an employee-only Katy Perry concert. Related: Ceora makes the case for virtual concerts. DeepMind is teaching AI to play soccer, which naturally makes us think of QWOP. ICYMI: Ghost calls out Substack and Substack responds. BeReal is the iPhone app of the year. But not even Resident Youth Ceora kno…
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The future of software engineering is powered by AIOps and open source
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Over the past five years, Intuit went through a total cloud transformation—they closed the data centers, built out a modern SaaS development environment, and got cloud native with foundational building blocks like containers and Kubernetes. Now they are looking to continue transforming into an AI-driven organization that leverages the data they hav…
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From life without parole to startup CTO
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If you want to read more about Jessica, you can check out the blog we worked on together for the launch of our Overflow Offline initiative. If you've ever wondered what it's like learning to code from an XML file of raw Stack Overflow data, be sure to check this episode out. You can learn more about the Supreme Court case that led to Jessica's rele…
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Let's talk about our favorite terminal tools
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You can learn more about Anthony here. His favorite terminal tool at the moment is Warp, which describes itself as "a blazingly fast, Rust-based terminal reimagined from the ground up to work like a modern app." His personal website features a live chat function. Sometimes it's actually Tony, sometimes it's just a bot. No lifeboat badge today. We''…
Ben asks Matt to explain Mastodon to him like he’s five. Matt says the experience feels a lot like…LinkedIn? Matt explains that he took social media apps off his phone for a while…just to chill out. (Ed. note, they're already back on.) We cover the latest AI to emerge that can write essays, jokes, and yes, some code. While everyone’s confused about…
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Talking about drag and drop tech stacks with Builder.io's Steve Sewell
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Steve was working as an engineering manager at ShopStyle and found that an increasing amount of his team's time was spent working on custom requests from departments like marketing and sales. They tried moving to a headless CMS but the data and components couldn't keep up with ever evolving needs. They wanted a drag and drop system connected to the…
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The next step in ecommerce? Replatform with APIs and micro frontends
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SPONSORED BY COMMERCE LAYER Around the world, billions of people can sell their wares online, in part thanks to solutions that handle the complexities of securely and reliably managing transactions. Businesses, large and small, can sell directly to customers. But a lot of these ecommerce services provide a heavier surface than many need by managing…
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Ready to optimize your JavaScript with Rust?
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Webpack has been king for several years. Vercel wants folks to embrace Turbopack, but their claims about speed raised a lot of backlash after it was first announced. Lee explains why he thinks the Rust-based approach will ultimately be a big benefit to developers and how organizations who are deeply ingrained with existing tools can safely and incr…
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The tech to build in a crypto winter
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You can learn more about Andrew, from building out a telco in Canada to cyber security at Deloitte, on his LinkedIn. Validation Cloud bills itself as the world’s fastest node infrastructure and cites networks like Bitcoin, Ethereum, and Binance as clients it supports. Learn more at the company’s website here. The company announced the launch of it'…
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Taking stock of the crypto crash and tech turbulence
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Data show's Silicon Valley's share of new startup funding deals dropped below 20% for the first time. What does it mean to experiment with big changes to an engineering org, in public and in real time? SBF would like the chance to explain himself. Today's lifeboat badge goes to CodeCaster for explaining: What is E in floating point?…
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Talking UX philosophies and deployment best practices with Patreon's VP of Engineering
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Srivastava reflects on his upbringing in India, learning to write Assembly, and going to Stanford University to complete his Ph.D in computer science. He shares his early career experiences at big tech names like Yahoo!, Google, Twitter, and Google. The group reflects on some of the engineering challenges at Patreon including technical debt, migrat…
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Here’s what it’s like to develop VR at Meta
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Cami and Cassidy take us down memory lane, sharing how they got into computer science together, hosted a web series (and still podcast together sometimes), and overlapped at two jobs together. We discuss the technologies being used to build in/for the Metaverse like Horizon Workroom, Presence Platform, Insights SDK, and of course, React. Cami share…
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Cloudy with a chance of… the state of cloud in 2022
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SPONSORED BY PLURALSIGHT Early in the days of high-traffic web pages and apps, any engineer operating the infrastructure would have a server room where one or more machines served that app to the world. They named their servers lovingly, took pictures, and watched them grow. The servers were pets. But since the rise of public cloud and infrastructu…
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The creator of Homebrew has a plan to fix the funding problem in open source
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Over the years Homebrew, an open source package manager, has emerged as the project with the greatest number of individual contributors. Despite all that, it’s creator Max Howell, couldn’t make a living off the occasional charity of the millions of people who used the software he built. This XKCD cartoon is probably the most frequently repeated jok…
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Want to work as a developer in Japan?
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Eric explains that great jobs are available for developers in Japan, but it can be tough to find these opportunities. We talk about interesting startups that are gaining traction in the Japanese tech sector (like Visual Alpha, Treasure Data, and Exawizards, to name a few examples of companies on the Japan Dev platform). Matt is impressed to learn J…
Episode notes: The team questions whether a print out of 60-90 days worth of code is the right benchmark for whether to lay someone off. Ben gives our podcast listeners a heads up to reports of repo jacking on GitHub (who got ahead of the issue quickly). We reflect on whether or not we’re okay with generative AI—and question tradeoffs between copyr…
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Hashgraph: The sustainable alternative to blockchain
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When most people talk about Web3 or cryptocurrencies and related technologies, they usually mean blockchains. But blockchain is only the first generation of distributed ledger technology (DLT). As with any new technology, once people see how it works, new generations come along rapidly to address the faults in the previous ones. On this sponsored e…
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Fighting to balance identity and anonymity on the web(3)
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Shoemaker spent his childhood in Silicon Valley and learned Assembly when he was just 16 years old. In his early 20s, he applied to work at Apple and was continually rejected. So he went to work for seven startups instead. Finally, in 2009, Shoemaker ended up at Apple overseeing the review process for the App Store. After seven years at Apple, Phil…
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Going from engineer to entrepreneur takes more than just good code
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In today’s podcast, Matt, Ceora, and Cassidy reflect on Cara’s founder journey. Cara shares her experiences living in New York and San Francisco— and why she and her co-founder ultimately located Stashpad in North Carolina. She elaborates on the exact steps that she took to pivot her startup following limited initial interest in V1 of the product. …
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Making location easier for developers with new data primitives
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When Foursquare launched in 2009, the app was consumer facing, letting you know where friends had checked in and what spots might appeal to you. People competed to be the “mayor” of certain locations and built guides to their favorite neighborhoods., The service expanded to allow merchants to offer discounts to frequent guests and track foot traffi…
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Homelabbing tricks to level up your WFH game
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The group laughs about setting up JIRA workflows and Trello boards for our family lives—Matt says heck no. Ceora speaks to the power of homelabbing as a way to gain profitable skills. JJ talks about the VPN system he has running on his phone to access his home network using tools like WireGuard and ZeroTier. Cassidy suggests setting up a personal k…
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How to get more engineers entangled with quantum computing
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Katzgraber reflects on his time as a university professor up until 2020 and why he switched to working at Amazon. He walks us through a quantum computing challenge that he hosted with BMW, through his role at Amazon (and what real world applications he sees emerging from these types of collaboration experiments). We discuss what inspires him to sta…
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Goodbye Webpack, Hello Turbopack! The big news from today’s Next.JS conference
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We got the chance to sit down with Guillermo Ruach, Guillermo Rauch, CEO of Vercel and co-creator of Next.JS, about the news coming out of today's conference. The most interesting was a new product called Turbopack. You can read more about it here.Af Kyle Mitofsky, Cassidy Williams, Ben Popper, Matt Kiernander
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A flight simulator for developers to practice real world challenges and surprises
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Freund reflects on his early days at Applied Materials, where he worked on a machine that inspected silicon wafers. It was in this early role that Freund gained an appreciation for rigorous software testing protocols in the manufacturing process. At WeWork, Freund was fascinated by the idea of a full stack business, which is a business building its…
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He went from .NET and VS Code to working on Web3
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John explains that Web3 is about the convergence of technology, economics, and social trends. He elaborates that foundations begin with service-based architecture (SOA), the notion of how to design loosely coupled systems that consist of economic services and components. He goes on to explain how DeFi represents this thinking of a loose composition…
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Faster feedback loops make for faster developer velocity
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Having trouble with understanding your team’s productivity outside of frameworks and tooling? Create a backlog and work through it: Instant Agile! How much of that backlog you work through is a good baseline measure. The Stack Overflow blog recently featured an article from Stack Overflow’s Director of Engineering, Ben Matthews: Does high velocity …
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Driverless cars give us the heebie jeebies
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Before jumping into driverless car talk, Ben shares a heads up about fake jobs at credible companies that are actually phishing scams meant to steal your identity and hijack your bank accounts. Beware the job offer that seems too good to be true! Jon, Cassidy, Ceora, Matt, and Ben reflect on whether they trust software to operate a vehicle. Cassidy…
Despite our hope for the power of robotics, the technology is still far from mainstream. That’s because the amount of effort needed to get hardware to do useful things at scale is…well…hard. When Eliot started Viam, his goal was to address this challenge by creating software that supports a range of hardware builds right out of the box. As the comp…
Ceora and Cassidy talk about why engineers are so good at job hopping — and why it can pay to upgrade roles every year or two. Ceora speaks openly about the privileges of working in tech compared to other industries. Apparently, in some places, it’s a thing for engineers to leave their teams and then rejoin the organization with a promotion to get …
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A chat with Red Hat CEO Matt Hicks on the path from developer to leader
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Matt takes us back to the origins of his open source days and the spark that inspired his love for engineering — including the point at which he discovered Linux. He shares how he began learning from the code itself, which was ultimately a different style of learning than what was available to him at university. Then, it was to the stacks, but not …
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Meet the AI helping you chose what to watch next
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Our guests have done most of their ML work on AWS offerings, from AWS Personalize for their initial recommendation engine to SageMaker for model training and deployment pipeline. Now they’re building models from scratch in TensorFlow. Want to see these recommendations in action? Check out the offerings at Discovery+ and HBOMax. If you’re a ML/AL da…
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The many strengths of neurodivergence
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Mariann shares how she and her UX research team at Stack Overflow are taking steps to create a more inclusive product experience, while reflecting on her experiences as a mother to a neurodiverse daughter. Wesley talks about what it’s like to be a developer with dyslexia and why self-empathy and self-compassion have been important to his evolution …
Ceora shares her experience representing Auth0 at REFACTR TECH, reflecting on what it was like being back in-person after years of virtual events. Cassidy announces her move to CTO and how her current leadership role at Contenda fits into her career journey and future aspirations as a technologist. Ben talks about Stack Overflow’s Flow State, the f…
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Don't let software steal your time
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Guilo gives building UI components as an example of where software innovation has given him time back: he started building them as static images in Photoshop, then Sketch brought connected, interactive components, and Finally, Figma let you collaborate and build an entire system together. If you missed any of the previous episodes, you can find the…
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Ethereum finally merges, semiconductors stay scarce
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It finally happened. In the words of the Ethereum Foundation, ETH is now “ready for its interstellar voyage,” having transitioned from proof of work to proof of stake. With no centralized authority insisting on a ship date, we’re witnessing a feat. We’re all wondering what comes next. The Great Debate about hybrid and remote work continues. Is the …
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We hate Scrum and Agile too...when it's done wrong
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About three years ago, when our public platform engineering team at Stack started growing, we realized that we needed a more robust formal project management system that could scale with all the creativity coming on board. That’s when we started looking at formal, by-the-book frameworks to empower and coach our teams to their fullest potential. We …
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Five nines uptime without developer burnout
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Like other folks we’ve talked to on the podcast, Chronosphere was born out of work pioneered at Uber. When you can’t find solutions to help you scale, sometimes you have to build them. Everything in Chronosphere was built from scratch, from the ingestion tier to the query layer. If you’re going to build something cloud native from the ground up, th…
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Can integrating hardware with software save developers time and energy?
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We dive into some of the ways developers can customize their keyboard with shortcuts, macros, and apps to eliminate repetitive tasks and automate the busywork that stands in the way of bigger, breakthrough innovations. Flow state can be affected by things as simple as the right lighting, so Logitech created keyboards that automatically adjust their…
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A serial entrepreneur finally embraces open source
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Appsmith is an open-source, low-code platform for building and maintaining internal tools like custom dashboards, admin panels, and, of course, CRUD apps. Watch Arpin’s talk on how a low-cost, low-tech solution can simplify online payments. Arpit isn’t the first engineer we’ve talked to whose career was sparked by the digital pets of the 90s. Liste…