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Messy Family Podcast : Catholic Conversations on Marriage and Family
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Mike and Alicia Hernon : Catholic Marriage Parent and Family
Parenting is not a clean-cut, simple process for those who like to follow the rules. Family life is messy and unpredictable, but it is the greatest adventure you will ever have. We are Mike and Alicia Hernon, parents of 10 children ranging from 10 to 27 and we would like to invite you into some of the conversations we have had with each other about marriage, parenting, and Catholic family life. Our hope is that our conversation sparks a dialogue between you and your spouse that leads to grea ...
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Two Become Family: The Human Side of Catholic Marriage
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Two Become Family: The Human Side of Catholic Marriage
Renzo and Monica Ortega
Renzo and Monica share stories, advice, and encouragement for everyday Catholics navigating the human side of a faith-filled marriage. They both bring a voice of joyful solidarity from their experience living in the trenches with a growing family. Their honesty and wisdom offer hope to couples who want to find confidence in their vocation to marriage through a candid and faithful discussion. Renzo and Monica Ortega are Catholic ministry leaders, podcast hosts, authors, and national speakers. ...
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Catholic Education and All About Lent with Katie Bogner
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35:24Send us a text In this episode, we chatted with Katie Bogner, teacher and catechist (and blogger from LookToHimAndBeRadiant.com). Covering topics related to her experience teaching in both public and Catholic school as well as working parish catechetical ministry, we discussed school choice, obstacles and challenges she sees her middle schoolers fa…
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MFP321: Fifty Years and Going Strong!
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59:26A husband and wife may disagree on many things, but they must absolutely agree on this: to never, ever give up. Summary When we did our listener survey, you asked for interviews of regular families who have raised children through to adulthood with grace and courage. Well, we have a treat for you! A few years ago we met Brian and Joanna Simpson of …
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When Parenting Kills Your Lovemaking
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40:17Send us a text We thought we were done with Lovemaking, but this week was tough! In today's episode we also give you some practical ways our marital intimacy can get stronger in our season of parenthood. For more on this topic: Order LOVEMAKING! we're so happy you're here with us, let's jump in! Read and Subscribe to our Substack: https://twobecome…
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MPF 320: Super Habits for the Family
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1:15:31Summary Have you ever wanted to stop yelling at your kids? Be more courteous to your spouse? Or be more orderly at home? Enter Super Habits! These are not just new things for you to learn to do, these are life-changing actions that will make you happier, healthier and more successful in many areas. In this interview, we spoke to Dr. Andrew Abela, a…
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Why Jesus Cares About Your Sex Life
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42:33Send us a text In our last episode of the Lovemaking series we talk about the connection between marriage, sex, and the Eucharist. We also give you some practical ways our marital intimacy can reframe our relationship with Jesus. For more on this topic: PRE-ORDER LOVEMAKING! we're so happy you're here with us, let's jump in! Read and Subscribe to o…
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Fathers, do not exasperate your children; instead, bring them up in the training and instruction of the Lord. Eph 6:4 In this episode of the Messy Family Podcast, hosts Mike and Alicia Hernon celebrate their 10th year of the podcast and introduce the new studio, setting the stage for a discussion on fatherhood and leadership in the home. They empha…
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Sexual Wounds, and Healing in Marriage
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36:35Send us a text In today's episode we talk about how sexual wounds can hurt your intimacy in marriage and what freedom and healing looked like in our marriage. For more on this topic: PRE-ORDER LOVEMAKING! we're so happy you're here with us, let's jump in! By Dr. Breuninger - Finding Freedom in Christ: Healing Life’s Hurts The Eucharist as a Source …
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MPF 318: Families as Missionaries
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1:20:21Families don’t just have a mission, they ARE a mission! Summary When we hear “missionary” many of us automatically think of a single person serving in a third world country. Then we think, “not me!” But the reality is that all Catholics are called by their baptism to spread the good news of Jesus throughout the world. We do that first and foremost …
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Is Your Mental Load Ruining Your Marital Intimacy?
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28:43Send us a text We had to re-record this episode cause of technical issues, but we think it's better than our first attempt. Here it is: why your mental load may be ruining your marital intimacy. Let's jump in! PRE-ORDER LOVEMAKING! For 30 friends! Our Codes! Mentionables: https://www.shopmentionables.com/TWOBECOME Read and Subscribe to our Substack…
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MFP 317: Who are These Messy Families? 2024 Survey Summary
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41:28Summary Since 2018 we have been doing surveys of our listeners to find out who you are, how we can serve you more, and what your needs are. We have never shared this information with our listeners until now! Over the years we have had thousands of listeners take this survey and it's interesting to see what has remained the same and what has changed…
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Why the World Needed Another Catholic Sex Book
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38:14Send us a text In today's episode, we discuss 5 reasons the world needed another Catholic sex book. We rambled a bit in the beginning, some of Renzo's jokes were bad, but we're still so happy you're here with us! Let's jump in! PRE-ORDER LOVEMAKING! Our Codes! Mentionables: https://www.shopmentionables.com/TWOBECOME Read and Subscribe to our Substa…
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MFP 316: A Manual for Catholic Families
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59:15“Catholic parenting is above all a work of grace” - Fr. Carter Griffin We often say there is no manual for being a parent, but this book comes pretty close! In this podcast, we interview the author of Forming Families, Forming Saints Fr. Carter Griffin. Fr. Griffin has worked for years forming young men into priests in the seminary setting. In doin…
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MFP 315: 10 Things to Stop Doing in 2025
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52:45At the beginning of 2025 we want to challenge parents to step back and reassess their approach to family life by diving into 10 Things to Stop Doing in 2025. Are you focusing too much on your kids? Caught up in the frantic pace of life? Trying to "fix" your spouse or juggle it all? Let us give you some heartfelt encouragement to let go of habits th…
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Send us a text We wrote a book and it's coming next month! In this episode we talk about how we got here and what we hope this book will do for marriages! Let's jump in! Read and Subscribe to our Substack: We Loved Making Lovemaking https://twobecomefamily.substack.com/ PRE-ORDER OUR BOOK! Our Codes! Mentionables: https://www.shopmentionables.com/T…
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REWIND: Setting Boundaries During the Holidays and Beyond
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34:16Send us a text Today we rewind to a very important subject: Boundaries. We're so happy you're here with us. Let's jump in! PRE-ORDER OUR BOOK! PRE-ORDER OUR BOOK FROM AVE MARIA PRESS! Our Codes! Mentionables: https://www.shopmentionables.com/TWOBECOME Inito: Inito.com CODE: MON15 SUPPORT OUR APOSTOLATE Thank you all for your ongoing support. We lov…
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MPF 314: Seasons of Prayer for Parents
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58:43“Be patient with everyone, but above all with yourself. I mean do not be disheartened by your imperfections, but always rise up with fresh courage” - St. Francis deSales Summary What God asks of us as parents is beyond our ability. We are all in need of God’s grace and that comes through prayer! Now, before you think, “I do not have time for prayer…
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Send us a text In today's episode we banter and reflect on Advent! PRE-ORDER OUR BOOK! PRE-ORDER OUR BOOK FROM AVE MARIA PRESS! Our Codes! Mentionables: https://www.shopmentionables.com/TWOBECOME Inito: Inito.com CODE: MON15 SUPPORT OUR APOSTOLATE Thank you all for your ongoing support. We love what we do and pray that it is a blessing to you and y…
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MPF 313: Surviving the Holidays with Grace
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53:36Kids will not always remember what you say, they will remember how they felt. Summary We have talked about the time between Thanksgiving and New Year’s being the “Momolympics”, a time when there are tons of things to buy, make, prepare, plan, and basically the happiness of your children all depends on you (at least we feel that way!) How can parent…
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Send us a text In today's episode we talk about what, in our experience, is the one thing all husbands are looking for. Spoiler alert, its more than sex. We're so happy you're here with us, let's jump in! PRE-ORDER OUR BOOK! PRE-ORDER OUR BOOK FROM AVE MARIA PRESS! Our Codes! Mentionables: https://www.shopmentionables.com/TWOBECOME Inito: Inito.com…
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MPF 312: The Well Ordered Family
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1:12:20Graces can flow into your home when nature is in its proper place. - Connor Gallagher, The Well-Ordered Family Summary Do you yearn for more order and clarity within your family? Is the chaos and busyness of modern life unsettling the harmony of your household? In this podcast, we interview Conor Gallagher, CEO of multiple businesses and father of …
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MFP 311: Family Roots - Mike's Irish Experience
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43:54In this episode, we dive into the beauty and power of family history. Mike shares the incredible story of his journey to Ireland—a dream rooted in a deep love for his heritage and a promise to pass it on to his children. From the ruins of his grandfather’s cottage to the windswept cliffs of the Aran Islands, the trip becomes a testament to the impo…
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REWIND: The Problem With Date Nights
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46:36Send us a text In today's episode we throw it back to one of our most popular shows! What do you think about our take on date nights? Let's jump in! PRE-ORDER OUR BOOK! PRE-ORDER OUR BOOK FROM AVE MARIA PRESS! Our Codes! Mentionables: https://www.shopmentionables.com/TWOBECOME Inito: Inito.com CODE: MON15 SUPPORT OUR APOSTOLATE Thank you all for yo…
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MPF 310: Marriage, Teamwork, and Business - an interview with Dan and Brenda Vansteenburg
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1:04:40“Guided and strengthened by God’s grace, husband and wife advance their own perfection… and contribute jointly to the glory of God” ~ Gaudium et Spes Summary You should never marry someone with the idea that you can change them, but we do need to help our spouses become the best version of themselves. We all should have a vision, a belief that our …
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Answering Your Questions and Texts
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58:01Send us a text In today’s episode, we tackle your questions! No topic was off limits and we did our best to answer as many as we could! Let’s jump in! PRE-ORDER OUR BOOK! PRE-ORDER OUR BOOK FROM AVE MARIA PRESS! Our Codes! Mentionables: https://www.shopmentionables.com/TWOBECOME Inito: Inito.com CODE: MON15 SUPPORT OUR APOSTOLATE Thank you all for …
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Show me your checkbook and your datebook and I will show you what you value Summary So much of what we talk about on this podcast really hits home when it comes to how we spend our time. Family dinner, date nights, prayer time, even mass comes down to making time to do it. Four things determine how we run our lives and our family - talent, money, e…
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Redemption and Fundamentalism (Mutual Submission Part 2)
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48:14Send us a text Today's episode is part 2 of our take on one of the recent Pints With Aquinas episode featuring Mike Pantile and his take on Mutual Submission. We take a look at more Papal writings on Ephesians 5 and unpack the implications of scripture translation and theology of the body, Let’s jump in! The episode we reference: Red Pill to Cathol…
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MPF 308: The Power of Asking for Forgiveness
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53:57“Genuine humility never disturbs the soul. Rather it is accompanied by peace, joy and calm” St. Theresa of Avila Summary What is the biggest problem in Catholic marriages? Although we appreciate good communication tools, marriage insights, and mentors - at the end of the day the biggest problem is simply a lack of holiness. One essential tool in ou…
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Nuancing the Patriarchy (Mutual Submission Part 1)
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51:25Send us a text In today’s episode, we give our take on one of the recent Pints With Aquinas episode featuring Mike Pantile and his take on Mutual Submission. We take a look at some Papal writings on Ephesians 5 and we try to add some nuance to the conversation. Let’s jump in! The episode we reference: Red Pill to Catholic: Embracing True Patriarchy…
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MFP 307: Navigating Family Life Challenges: Q&A with Real-Life Struggles and Faith-Filled Solutions
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1:01:51In this special Q&A episode, we dive into some of the most heartfelt questions from our listeners. From the complex question of whether to expand the family to grappling with grief, boundaries in marriage, and integrating elderly parents into a household, these issues strike at the core of family life. We also tackle how to balance the call to evan…
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Send us a text In today's video, we unpack some of the themes from our the most recent presentation we gave at the Diocese of Venice, Florida. It was such a joy to speak to married couples about how our love can spread the Gospel, and we thought it would be fun to elaborate some more on the themes from our talk. Let's jump in! PRE-ORDER OUR BOOK! P…
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MFP 306: What Teens/Tweens Really Need with Mark Hart
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57:31“It’s important that we remember to talk ‘to’ our kids, not ‘at’ them” - Mark Hart Summary Parents are rightly concerned today about the influence of the culture on their teens. As much as we would like to put our kids in a teflon bubble to shield them from the false fake culture of the world, it is just not possible! What do our kids need from us …
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REWIND: Why All The Sex Rules?
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1:04:29Send us a text Our Codes! Mentionables: https://www.shopmentionables.com/TWOBECOME Inito: Inito.com CODE: MON15 SUPPORT OUR APOSTOLATE Thank you all for your ongoing support. We love what we do and pray that it is a blessing to you and your families. If you are benefitting in some way from what we're doing, here are some ways you can support our sh…
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MPF 305: Should You Correct Your Spouse?
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51:37It is better to dwell in a corner of the housetop than in a mansion with a quarrelsome wife. Proverbs 25:24 Summary All of us do things that annoy our spouse. Occasionally, we do things that hurt our spouse and vice versa. How do we communicate about these situations? Is it effective to tell them what they have done wrong? Is that what the scriptur…
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Send us a text In today's episode, we talk about play, Dr. Stuart Brown's research on play, and the importance of recognizing your spouses play personality. Let's jump in! https://nifplay.org/ https://nifplay.org/what-is-play/play-personalities/ Our Codes! Mentionables: https://www.shopmentionables.com/TWOBECOME Inito: Inito.com CODE: MON15 SUPPORT…
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“You can learn many things from toddlers! For example, how much patience you actually have.” -Anonymous One blessing of having ten kids is that we have matured and learned enough about kids to appreciate the toddler years of children #9 and 10 much more than those years with children #1 and 2. Our advice to parents of toddlers is to start by enjoyi…
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Don't Let Stress Break Your Marriage
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42:43Send us a text In today's episode, we talk about stress and how it can really make marriage hard. We reflect on a recent article from the Gottman Institute and share some real life examples from our own experiences. Let's jump in! https://www.gottman.com/blog/how-stress-can-cause-relationship-dissatisfaction/ Our Codes! Mentionables: https://www.sh…
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MFP 303: How to Parent Like a Catholic Pt. 2
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59:50Other Resources Welcome His Heart: https://welcomehisheart.com/ MFP 165: Forgiveness Brings Freedom and Transformation Videos - Evangelizing Your Kids and Forgiveness in the Family https://messyfamilyproject.org/course/pizza-and-parenting/watch/ Key Takeaways Parents must be very intentional about evangelizing their children and bringing them into …
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Send us a text In today's episode, we talk about the challenges implementing NPF and TTA can have on the romantic side of marriage. We reflect on how we started to reframe what we saw as burdens and how leaning in and keeping things romantic doesn't always have to revolve around sex. Let's jump in! Our Codes! Mentionables: https://www.shopmentionab…
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MPF 302: A Parent’s Guide to Temperaments
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1:26:40“You and your spouse are a team that GOD wants together!” - Art and LaraineBennett Summary The first step in creating a dynamic family is to know the people who are in it! That starts with knowing yourself, then your spouse, and then your children. One of the tools that we love using for this knowledge is the classic four temperaments - choleric, s…
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REWIND: Renzo's Time as a SAHD (stay-at-home-dad)
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1:10:26Send us a text In today’s episode, we rewind and revisit Renzo’s time as a stay-at-home-dad. We often reference how this season of our marriage allowed for the healing we needed. Let’s jump in! THINGS WE MENTIONED What Being a Stay-At-Home-Dad Has Taught Me About Being A Husband Passivity and Relationships (a talk by Michael Gormley) Fr Mike Schmit…
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MFP 301: How to Parent Like a Catholic
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59:35Your authority in the family does not come from perfection, it comes as a grace from your parenthood. Summary There are two kinds of families - those that are frantic and those that are fruitful. As Catholics we have an incredible grace to be fruitful families, but often our families don’t look much different than the secular, frantic families arou…
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Antidotes and Green Flags in Communication (Antidotes to the Four Horsemen)
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42:42Send us a text In today's episode we bring you the antidotes for, what the Gottman institute has called, "The Four Horseman of the Apocalypse". Last week was the red flags and this week it's the green flags! Let's jump in! Our Codes! Mentionables: https://www.shopmentionables.com/TWOBECOME Inito: Inito.com CODE: MON15 SUPPORT OUR APOSTOLATE Thank y…
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MFP 300: Loving with Boundaries: Navigating Tough Parenting Decisions & Friendships
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1:06:03Summary: In this episode, we explore several listener's questions about how to manage friendships when personal values differ, particularly in situations where children are involved. Mike and Alicia are joined by their daughter, Katie to dive into the challenge of maintaining friendships with those whose lifestyle choices may conflict with Catholic…
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The Four Horsemen of Divorce (Communication Red Flags We Wished We Learned About Earlier)
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46:44Send us a text In today's episode we talk about some red flags to look out for when you're arguing with your spouse. We go over what the Gottman institute has called "The Four Horseman of the Apocalypse" and how they can predict divorce. Let's jump in! Our Codes! Mentionables: https://www.shopmentionables.com/TWOBECOME Inito: Inito.com CODE: MON15 …
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Messy Family Podcast : Catholic Conversations on Marriage and Family
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MPF 299: Beauty, art, imagination and your kids with Andrew Peterson
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58:42Beauty resets our compass. It reminds us of who we are and what we are made for. ~ Andrew Peterson Summary Our children will grow no matter what, but how they grow and what they learn is heavily dependent on their environment. Parents can shape the world of their children to include beauty, freedom of artistic expression, and space to wonder. In th…
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Two Become Family: The Human Side of Catholic Marriage
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Spontaneous and Responsive Sexual Desire
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37:53Send us a text In today's episode we talk about some new terms that we just learned. Have you heard of these before? How do you and your spouse manage the differences in Spontaneous vs Responsive desire? Let's jump in! Our Codes! Mentionables: https://www.shopmentionables.com/TWOBECOME Inito: Inito.com CODE: MON15 SUPPORT OUR APOSTOLATE Thank you a…
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MPF298: How to Really Love Your Teenager
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1:02:26“21% of teens said their #1 concern was not having enough time with their parents. Only 8% of parents said their #1 concern was not having enough time with their kids.” ― Meg Meeker Summary After 13 years of marriage we had six children and were pretty confident in our parenting. But when our oldest daughter became a teenager, we felt like we neede…
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The Human Side of Married Sainthood
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48:04Send us a text Can Saints complain about their struggles? In this episode we talk about some amazing Blesseds who lived their ordinary lives in an extraordinary way. Let's jump in! Articles we referenced: https://aleteia.org/2017/11/25/blessed-luigi-and-maria-quattrocchi-ordinary-married-life-shot-through-with-glory https://www.vatican.va/content/j…
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Happiness is determined by our expectations…. If our expectations are modest… we will be happy; if our expectations are unrealistic, we end up disappointed. ~Bishop Anthony Taylor, Diocese of Little Rock Summary All of us come into our vocations with expectations. We have dreams and plans, but expectations are more like assumptions. We have our own…
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Instagram Is My Marriage Coach (How to Apologize)
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45:10Send us a text In today's episode, we talk about Renzo's issues with the concept of time and how we've slowly learned to apologize well. We hope this is helpful! Let's jump in! Our Codes! Mentionables: https://www.shopmentionables.com/TWOBECOME Inito: Inito.com CODE: MON15 SUPPORT OUR APOSTOLATE Thank you all for your ongoing support. We love what …
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